jacketspuds Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, a m ole said: Don’t really wanna be associated with a player like that, considering his conviction for second degree murder. I’m the same. Any man that shot JFK is not welcome at this club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, osmark86 said: No that wasn't Ashley Young. You must be thinking about Ashlee Simpson. Nah, that was Maggie Simpson and it was the attempted murder of Mr. Burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Nah, that was Maggie Simpson and it was the attempted murder of Mr. Burns. Maggie Simpson? That tramp! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 hours ago, HKP90 said: Ollie's actual goals were almost identical to his xG, which kind of dispels the image of him as a wasteful striker. To give some perspective, strikers that have failed to meet their xG, and could therefore be considered more wasteful include: Aubameyang Havertz Calvert Lewin Jesus Sterling Antonio and surprisingly Kane. Son appeared to have been much more effective at converting the chances he was presented this year in the Spurs lineup. If we get our strikers more chances by sorting out the Midfield, which hopefully we are on the way to doing, we WILL score more goals with our current strikeforce. I have no doubt whatsoever. As an aside, in looking up the above, of note was that Jamie Vardy, as annoying a cockwomble as he is, remains one of the most effective finishers in the Premier League, far outstripping his expected tally. The data on Ollie suggests that he is an average finsiher in and around the middle third of all strikers in the league, which matches with last season as well. There is no data on fbref for the championship so I can't say anything about his time there. All the other examples, Kane and Son aside, that you mention are hardly known as great finishers though are they? Aubameyang maybe but he is on the decline anyway. In fairness to Kane, this season was really an outlier for him. He has been consistently in the top 10 per cent of finishers over the last few seasons. Vardy really is just a freak though. The question is though who would we get that is going to be a guaranteed (or as near as) upgrade on Ollie or Ings and is it a priority to upgrade the strikeforce compared to other areas of the pitch? If Ings found his shooting boots from the two seasons before joining Villa then we'd have a very good finisher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 44 minutes ago, Monkeypuzzle said: Maggie Simpson? That tramp! It’s the slutty dresses she wears, she knows what she’s doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, sparrow1988 said: The data on Ollie suggests that he is an average finisher in and around the middle third of all strikers in the league Hang on, if his xG was almost identical to his actual goals scored, then how in the hell does the data suggest he's an average finisher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I wouldn't say Watkin's issue was his finishing (although there are plenty of more natural finishers around), it's his decision making. His strength, work rate and movement are all good or very good. He just needs to go to decision making Hogwarts or something and he'll be grand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: It’s the slutty dresses she wears, she knows what she’s doing Like taking candy from a baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Hang on, if his xG was almost identical to his actual goals scored, then how in the hell does the data suggest he's an average finisher? Because scoring exactly in line with your xG is the very definition of a statistically (important to emphasise this) average finisher. An above average finisher scores more than his xG. Ollie scores slightly under his xG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, sparrow1988 said: Because scoring exactly in line with your xG is the very definition of a statistically (important to emphasise this) average finisher. An above average finisher scores more than his xG. Ollie scores slightly under his xG. Have there been any strikers in the PL this season (other than Son) who have been above their xG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Hang on, if his xG was almost identical to his actual goals scored, then how in the hell does the data suggest he's an average finisher? Isn't xg showing something a little different? As in, him getting his xg doesn't define him being a good finisher because if he was a better finisher he'd have a higher xg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Have there been any strikers in the PL this season (other than Son) who have been above their xG? Vardy quite significantly so, Dennis as well and most of the others that have significantly outperformed it aren't strikers and are the likes of KDB, Mount, Ward-Prowse, Maddison, Zaha etc who have either been on free kicks or just had a few from outside the box. Edited June 14, 2022 by Indigo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, Rolta said: Isn't xg showing something a little different? As in, him getting his xg doesn't define him being a good finisher because if he was a better finisher he'd have a higher xg. Yeah I'm starting to get it From what I can see though, by this metric Harry Kane is one of the worst finishers in Europe with a non penalty xG of 17.1 this season and 13 goals... I think most people on here would take Kane up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mazrim said: I wouldn't say Watkin's issue was his finishing (although there are plenty of more natural finishers around), it's his decision making. His strength, work rate and movement are all good or very good. He just needs to go to decision making Hogwarts or something and he'll be grand. Easy to forget he's only had 3 seasons of being a striker. He and the coaching staff will be working on it. I actually think his decision making off the ball is pretty good - he makes a lot of smart runs. But on it, yeah, needs work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Have there been any strikers in the PL this season (other than Son) who have been above their xG? Here is just forwards with a positive goals minus xG (2nd last column). The last column excludes penalties so probably an even more accurate measure of finishing ability. Son is a MF/FW according to this one site. You'll find the full table here: https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/shooting/Premier-League-Stats And regarding Kane, he had a shocking start to the season. Also if you look at his stats for the last few seasons he is consistently in the top few finishers. This season was just a massive outlier for him. Edited June 14, 2022 by sparrow1988 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Indigo said: Vardy quite significantly so, Dennis as well and most of the others that have significantly outperformed it aren't strikers and are the likes of KDB, Mount, Ward-Prowse, Maddison, Zaha etc who have either been on free kicks or just had a few from outside the box. Vardy is remarkable and if 10 years younger would be an incredible buy. Personally I think Dennis would be a cracking buy, he's like a better version of Richarlison when he moved from Watford. He feels like a Veretout when he moved from us, his quality was masked by playing in an absolute car crash of a side that got relegated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, sparrow1988 said: Here is just forwards with a positive goals minus xG (2nd last column). The last column excludes penalties. Son is a MF/FW according to this one site. You'll find the full table here: https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/shooting/Premier-League-Stats And regarding Kane, he had a shocking start to the season. Also if you look at his stats for the last few seasons he is consistently in the top few finishers. This season was just a massive outlier for him. Thanks, interesting stats. Vardy and Zaha... wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Thanks, interesting stats. Vardy and Zaha... wow. Son is actually +6.6 so even better. You can mess around with the site. There's all sorts of stuff on there and explanations of what the stats mean and so on. It's actually mad that it's free. Edited June 14, 2022 by sparrow1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Vardy is remarkable and if 10 years younger would be an incredible buy. Personally I think Dennis would be a cracking buy, he's like a better version of Richarlison when he moved from Watford. He feels like a Veretout when he moved from us, his quality was masked by playing in an absolute car crash of a side that got relegated. Would be a good option if we sold Watkins, they are both very similar IMO. Another option would be Martin Terrier of Rennes, was linked with Liverpool there but since they have signed Nunez they probably won't be in for a forward unless Salah leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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