gwi1890 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Have you? Can you provide some evidence that he is worse than olsen? How can you provide evidence Heaton is better? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Screw Twitter and many so called fans that use it to post shit like this. The idea of a 'supporter' is lost on many... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Have you? Can you provide some evidence that he is worse than olsen? You're asking to prove a negative here. You're comparing Olsen to the first-pick keeper in Heaton, that played the last of his 20 games for us 3 years ago and not the 37 year old keeper that never plays after a very serious injury. I honestly think some are expecting to get David Raya in as back up. It's not an easy position to fill, otherwise why would May U not have better than a shot-out 37 year old. I'll say again - Man City still employ Scott Carson. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted July 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2023 Ideally, we'd have a more confident and better back up keeper, but Olsen isn't as bad as some of the comments on here make him out to be. Most clubs will have a big drop off in quality, and it looks bigger for us because of how good Emi is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Two teams that we are competing with I think have better number 2s. Although it’s all down to opinions of course and maybe if we watched them more often we’d see they are also shit too. Newcastle - Dubrokva i think is better Spurs - Forster I think is better although he did mess up bad against us. I think this is the key bit here. They all have notable weaknesses in their game. Otherwise they'd be a #1 somewhere. Any player that gets practically zero competitive match time for months will look rusty when they eventually do play. I'd say Olsen is about the level of other reserve keepers at the top teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 United generally play a lot of games so who was their number 2 last season or did De Gea play every game ? I can’t remember ever seeing Heston. Just trying to get some comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Have you? Can you provide some evidence that he is worse than olsen? Still didnt answer the question. When did you last see Heaton play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: United generally play a lot of games so who was their number 2 last season or did De Gea play every game ? I can’t remember ever seeing Heston. Just trying to get some comparisons. De Gea played 58 games last season including 12 in Europe. Dubravka and Heaton played a couple Carabao Cup games each 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: United generally play a lot of games so who was their number 2 last season or did De Gea play every game ? I can’t remember ever seeing Heston. Just trying to get some comparisons. De Gea played virtually every game. Heaton and Dubravka played 2 games each in the League Cup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) Not here to bash the guy as I've done enough of that in his time here so far. It is disappointing to learn that he won't be getting upgraded so to speak, but that's just the way it is. He is now confirmed by Unai that he will be staying put. Again, I state I would have liked to have seen an upgrade on Olsen but then again there are not that many other keepers out there who are in the same position as Olsen at their clubs who are any better really, and probably not worthwhile upping sticks to sit on the bench elsewhere either. To upgrade Olsen you need to take another goalkeeper from a team who is currently their No.1... But then why would they leave that club to come and sit on our bench? Because let's face it, No one is taking the spot from Martinez anytime soon really. Edited July 30, 2023 by AvfcRigo82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I can’t remember ever seeing Heston. He was probably busy in a kitchen somewhere? Edited July 30, 2023 by AvfcRigo82 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Needs a week with a top-level sports psychologist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Olsen debate is built on a fool's game of what if x player got injured like every player in the team except the ones people don't care for. You could apply to every club. It's tedious. Man City have no striker bar Haaland. Bowen for West Ham etc etc It's worst case scenario panic like Emery wants to play 1 striker and has said Diaby covers striker and was reason for signing but people want to spend +40 million on competition for Watkins because striker term is pigeon holed and multi function players don't exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Kingman said: I think its more about facts, Are you saying Olsen is an all round better and accomplished goal keeper than Heaton? Right now given heatons age, injury history and lack of football? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Right now given heatons age, injury history and lack of football? Yes I thought he was pretty average for us before injury which probably saved him from the scapegoat treatment on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Right now given heatons age, injury history and lack of football? Yes ....Leaves the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Needs a week with a top-level sports psychologist Might need a tad longer if he's ever perused this forum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 People realise Heaton has played 3 games of football in 3 and a half years, at 37, yeah? He's done. The Heaton that played for us was head and shoulders above Olsen, a better backup now though? Probably not, no. I am surprised by Emery keeping the faith with Olsen though, I must say, it's not just the mistakes on their own, its that the defence is clearly impacted by those past mistakes and look like they're shitting themselves any time that the ball is near our box. If it were up to me, after Stevenage I wouldn't even want him getting time in the early rounds of the Europa or the League Cup. Still, Emery hasn't made many bad decisions for us at all, if this is his judgement, he deserves the trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 As much as he's had his share of clangers, he's also had some games where he's looked fine and relatively dependable. I think the main problem isn't that he's not an alright back-up in the grand scheme of things, just that he's an outdated style of goalkeeper at this level and we almost have to change how we play when he's on the pitch. If he was just asked to marshal his six yard box and keep things simple then fine, but unfortunately he's required to be able to scan much further than that, be able to use his feet etc which doesn't come naturally to him. Just figured Emery would want a keeper more in that mould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingzen Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Yea but you would expect your keeper to do the basics though, catch a ball, command your box and be able to kick a ball properly. Olsen struggles with all of these It's strange that you can see this but Emery can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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