MWARLEY2 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Lucas Digne is alot like Coutinho. In a more dominant side they would be assets due to technical ability. But in our position in the league you need gritty and robust equally as much as ability . This i feel is the biggest mistake Gerrard and Lange have made when they recruited. Its all good getting in experienced top quality winners , but they have misjudged the other things you need in the bottom 14 as i think it is now. Btw i have no idea about Carlos and if it was the physio that caused it but in Kamaras case its his knee. If it feels bad then thats on him to say so. The tackle he made was unlucky . It was a strong impact tackle and one i have done many many years ago. More of a jar than a twist. But **** painful. Couldnt put any weight on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, est1874 said: If you had a club nutritionist and players were out of shape, s/he would be called into question and probably lose their job. Likewise if you have players with no history of major issues elsewhere breaking themselves after a few games of football with us, then yeah, I'd say someone should be asked a few questions at the very least. If you don't think so, I don't think you know much about the work that goes on behind the scenes re: modern sports science and medicine. So let's take Carlos then. What does your Phd in Sports Science say is the deleterious effect our coaches had on a player, to make him rupture his achilles after falling badly in a challenge with Onana? Bearing in mind also, that this was only the second match of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, est1874 said: If you had a club nutritionist and players were out of shape, s/he would be called into question and probably lose their job. Likewise if you have players with no history of major issues elsewhere breaking themselves after a few games of football with us, then yeah, I'd say someone should be asked a few questions at the very least. If you don't think so, I don't think you know much about the work that goes on behind the scenes re: modern sports science and medicine. Liverpool have had injury crises, Leeds and Newcastle both had them last season. Kalvin Phillips has barely touched a ball for City and he’s got a recurrence of a shoulder problem. Kieran Tierney is made of glass, is that Arsenals physios fault? I honestly don’t think we’re unique in having a few players out at once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, est1874 said: If you had a club nutritionist and players were out of shape, s/he would be called into question and probably lose their job. Likewise if you have players with no history of major issues elsewhere breaking themselves after a few games of football with us, then yeah, I'd say someone should be asked a few questions at the very least. If you don't think so, I don't think you know much about the work that goes on behind the scenes re: modern sports science and medicine. what players do you think are out of “shape” Carlos, Digne, Kamara? they all look fit as a butchers dog to me…or maybe they hide it well? what you are going on about is just conspiracy theorist stuff…guess work…fantasy stuff players get injuries…in the most innocuous situations….it happens… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Kamara appeared to twist his knee making a tackle as Southampton broke. I don't know what happened to Digne but he's had all manner of injures in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Yup. First he thought he could break his leg, but he thought an Achilles rapture would do the trick. Now that's what I call a real tribulation! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Risso said: So let's take Carlos then. What does your Phd in Sports Science say is the deleterious effect our coaches had on a player, to make him rupture his achilles after falling badly in a challenge with Onana? Bearing in mind also, that this was only the second match of the season. A stress fracture occurs over a period of time when the amount of activity someone is doing is out of proportion to the recovery time - the bone gradually breaks down. Now what is out of proportion depends on the level of activity your bone is used to. A classic example, which you would hope would not happen now, is when players do nothing over the summer and then suddenly do tonnes of running in pre-season - essentially there is a marked and not very gradual increase in the stress on the bone. This is the injury Lucas Digne reportedly has in some unspecified bone in his foot/ankle complex, and is the injury Jack Grealish repeatedly had in his tibia. Carlos ruptured his achilles tendon. Now here's the thing - healthy tendons don't rupture. They have to degenerate first. And they degenerate in 2 main ways: 1. Age, and 2. Just like a stress fracture, over a period of time when the amount of activity someone is doing is out of proportion to the recovery time - the tendon gradually breaks down (tendinosis). I saw an interview with McGinn at the end of pre-season where he said they'd done so much running, they should be called "Aston Villa Harriers" So, if players are coming into the club who are used to doing a certain volume of training and that training is suddenly upped from what they are used to, and continued over several weeks (e.g. pre-season), stress fractures and tendon ruptures could occur. I have looked at the video of Kamara's injury several times and I still can't see what the hell he's done. If he has injured a ligament, this has nothing to do with the training unless he was so fatigued he couldn't even control his legs. Edited September 21, 2022 by Deano & Dalian's Umbrella 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Zatman said: Didnt our physio mess up Carlos by thinking it was cramp? Admittedly, it was stupid, but: If his achilles was already ruptured, there isn't much more damage that could be done by stretching it, and If the physio (or doctor I thought) stretching it was enough to rupture it, it would have gone next time he went down the stairs or put his shoes on anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Hudson Adoi did his achilles, and he's 21. Carlos's didn't "just" rupture his, he over stretched it falling awkwardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Risso said: Hudson Adoi did his achilles, and he's 21. Carlos's didn't "just" rupture his, he over stretched it falling awkwardly. I said that tendons degenerate through either age or overuse, so in Hudson Adoi's case, it must have been overuse. Young people can get tendinosis too. And falling arkwardly and over-stretching would not rupture a healthy achilles tendon, but it would rupture a degenerate one. I'm not sure what you mean by he didn't just rupture his - that's exactly what he did. You can rupture it like David Beckham did just planting his foot to the ground, or you can rupture it in a dramatic overstretch. But a rupture is a rupture - a complete tear of the tendon where one end is separated from the other. I don't mean any offence by this but I manage to bite my tongue for months at a time and not say anything when I see people discussing injuries. In occasional moments of weakness, I try to help by offering my expertise, but it's never appreciated. So I'm going to stay out of this now. Edited September 21, 2022 by Deano & Dalian's Umbrella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 He didn't "just" as in he wasn't just running around with no external cause. He was challenging for the ball with the Everton player, and suffered overpronation as he landed as a result, leading to the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 VT lol. Armchair experts of Anatomy, Physio and fitness at elite level now. Good lord lol. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Deano & Dalian's Umbrella said: Carlos ruptured his achilles tendon. Now here's the thing - healthy tendons don't rupture. They have to degenerate first. And they degenerate in 2 main ways: 1. Age, and 2. Just like a stress fracture, over a period of time when the amount of activity someone is doing is out of proportion to the recovery time - the tendon gradually breaks down (tendinosis). According to who? Every structure, biological or mechanical, has a maximal failure point and a lower yield point in which plastic deformation occurs. Just because a tendon is "healthy" doesn't give it superpowers that prevents it from failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I come to VT for all my medical advice 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, omariqy said: I come to VT for all my medical advice It's Aids. It's always Aids. The only question is whether it's Good Aids or Bad Aids. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichiBoi11 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, omariqy said: I come to VT for all my medical advice I'll prep A&E for your arrival. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 17 hours ago, est1874 said: There's something very wrong with how we condition our players and manage (minor) injuries. Surely someone has to lose their job over the sheer volume of serious injuries we are collecting. Sometimes you get unlucky, sometimes you ride your luck. This isn't about luck, I don't believe in this many coincidences. It's like you've never heard of an injury crisis before. "Sheer volume" = 3 Surely someone has to lose their job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GarethRDR said: It's Aids. It's always Aids. The only question is whether it's Good Aids or Bad Aids. Don't forget Hepatitis A-ids Edited September 22, 2022 by lapal_fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Ingram85 said: VT lol. Armchair experts of Anatomy, Physio and fitness at elite level now. Good lord lol. Yes, I always used to take my armchair into Bodymoor every day when I was a physio at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 3 long term injuries isn’t great but happens. But what are the chances of those injuries being to 3 of our big recent signings? That’s shit luck. Edited September 22, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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