A'Villan Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Has Emery specifically mentioned Countinho's future at the club is up in the air? I did a brief search through the forum and google to no avail. I'm reluctant to see Coutinho's role here as over or the time he's spent here already as a waste, until Emery views Phil surplus to requirements, until then, there's every chance Coutinho could prove a few wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, tinker said: I was, stupid signing at the time. Gerrard and Purslow for letting him do it. 4 years, inept. Thankfully both of those clowns are no longer at the club now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Guess the chances of him going to Saudi slightly decreased now that Gerrard isn't going. Then again Gerrard wasn't going to one of the state owned clubs anyway so might not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I honestly wonder if he was even injured or Emery just realised he's shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanBalaban Posted June 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2023 I understand the need to get unutilised wages off the books, but I'm somewhat surprised by the glee shown by many to kick Phil out of the door. Sure he has a high salary, but he's hardly some toxic, N'Zogbia, Stephen Ireland or McCormack figure. When he arrived, he was great which prompted many of us to want him to sign full time. There was even talk of Spuds nipping in ahead of us. Like many, he massively regressed under the Talentless Mr. Prickly, and then got a longer-term injury. Who knows if he can also improve like the rest of the squad did under Unai. Top clubs pay big wages - we see players on 200k plus per week in this league. To compete near the top, we'll have to get used to players on salaries like Phil, and Lucas 'Bezos' Digne - but even they are at the lower end of a Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal squad player. We're not used to it but, unfortunately it's a part of the game if we want to compete. If Phil has no part to play, he'll be quite rightly sounded out to other clubs for sure but, until then, I don't get the reaction of pleasure derived from wanting him out the door - akin to a new signing coming in. Until Don Unai suggests otherwise, he's a Villa player with a good character, with bags of top European experience, and I hope there's enough left in the tank to play a part in the coming season. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: I understand the need to get unutilised wages off the books, but I'm somewhat surprised by the glee shown by many to kick Phil out of the door. Sure he has a high salary, but he's hardly some toxic, N'Zogbia, Stephen Ireland or McCormack figure. When he arrived, he was great which prompted many of us to want him to sign full time. There was even talk of Spuds nipping in ahead of us. Like many, he massively regressed under the Talentless Mr. Prickly, and then got a longer-term injury. Who knows if he can also improve like the rest of the squad did under Unai. Top clubs pay big wages - we see players on 200k plus per week in this league. To compete near the top, we'll have to get used to players on salaries like Phil, and Lucas 'Bezos' Digne - but even they are at the lower end of a Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal squad player. We're not used to it but, unfortunately it's a part of the game if we want to compete. If Phil has no part to play, he'll be quite rightly sounded out to other clubs for sure but, until then, I don't get the reaction of pleasure derived from wanting him out the door - akin to a new signing coming in. Until Don Unai suggests otherwise, he's a Villa player with a good character, with bags of top European experience, and I hope there's enough left in the tank to play a part in the coming season. I think it’s because it’s a large part of the Gerrard year we all went to forget. I thought they were both decent signings at the time. As you say neither of them are bad eggs. It just hasn’t worked out how we all hoped. Edited June 20, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: I understand the need to get unutilised wages off the books, but I'm somewhat surprised by the glee shown by many to kick Phil out of the door. Sure he has a high salary, but he's hardly some toxic, N'Zogbia, Stephen Ireland or McCormack figure. When he arrived, he was great which prompted many of us to want him to sign full time. There was even talk of Spuds nipping in ahead of us. Like many, he massively regressed under the Talentless Mr. Prickly, and then got a longer-term injury. Who knows if he can also improve like the rest of the squad did under Unai. Top clubs pay big wages - we see players on 200k plus per week in this league. To compete near the top, we'll have to get used to players on salaries like Phil, and Lucas 'Bezos' Digne - but even they are at the lower end of a Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal squad player. We're not used to it but, unfortunately it's a part of the game if we want to compete. If Phil has no part to play, he'll be quite rightly sounded out to other clubs for sure but, until then, I don't get the reaction of pleasure derived from wanting him out the door - akin to a new signing coming in. Until Don Unai suggests otherwise, he's a Villa player with a good character, with bags of top European experience, and I hope there's enough left in the tank to play a part in the coming season. I don't want him out the door for anything he's done or indeed not done. It's his capability that's the issue, he's got skills to die for but 60 minutes every 3 or 4 games for such a huge outlay, wage wise, is a big drain on our resources. Swap him for Barnes or Maddison and you have immediately improved the squad. He's here now so I will get behind him and hope his fitness can give him some decent game time but his history shows us it's highly unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, tinker said: I don't want him out the door for anything he's done or indeed not done. It's his capability that's the issue, he's got skills to die for but 60 minutes every 3 or 4 games for such a huge outlay, wage wise, is a big drain on our resources. Swap him for Barnes or Maddison and you have immediately improved the squad. He's here now so I will get behind him and hope his fitness can give him some decent game time but his history shows us it's highly unlikely to happen. his first half against Leeds last season under SG, i genuinely thought might be the best 45 minutes ive seen from a villa player. The big challenge for me is as you say, he cant complete 90 minutes, when he gets injured its for 3 months. We just cant afford a player like this on the books but it looks likely we will take a big loss on him that may impact our ability to bring in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanBalaban Posted June 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, tinker said: I don't want him out the door for anything he's done or indeed not done. It's his capability that's the issue, he's got skills to die for but 60 minutes every 3 or 4 games for such a huge outlay, wage wise, is a big drain on our resources. Swap him for Barnes or Maddison and you have immediately improved the squad. He's here now so I will get behind him and hope his fitness can give him some decent game time but his history shows us it's highly unlikely to happen. I do agree, and I have no issue with him leaving if he can't hack it anymore. It's the joy that some seem to find in the hope that he might be pack off to Saudi, Turkey or anywhere. Coutinho seems to be a pretty quiet, humble, family-oriented fella that was once a truly world-class footballer. I have no idea how much of that is truly left as I loathe to judge the merits of a player playing under Gerrard. If the manager doesn't think he's got it anymore then we'll need to send him off somewhere, but given the amount of games we have, and the lack of players with the experience of playing midweek games in Europe, he could still have a role to play. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think it’s because it’s a large part of the Gerrard year we all went to forget. I thought they were both decent signings at the time. As you say neither of them are bad eggs. It just hasn’t worked out how we all hoped. There's definitely the 'Gerrard's mate' factor, you're right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 If Villa are to replace Moreno's contribution on the left, while he's injured, Coutinho remains a viable option. I am not sure Digne's crossing is consistent enough to provide everything Moreno did, so if Villa are to keep the same way of playing, they need a replacement on the left. I am not sure Coutinho is disciplined enough to play the role but he could do it. He's certainly no worse than Villa's two options on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Being reported Barca have a 50% sell-on fee arranged **** off Stevie. The extent to which Purslow backed the wrong horse is astounding. He never did have a clue with football though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Being reported Barca have a 50% sell-on fee arranged **** off Stevie. The extent to which Purslow backed the wrong horse is astounding. He never did have a clue with football though. That was reported at the time we signed him. It's not new information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: That was reported at the time we signed him. It's not new information Can I still laugh at it? Hope so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Tomaszk said: Can I still laugh at it? Hope so. Would prefer you cry tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, CVByrne said: Would prefer you cry tbh If I don't laugh, I will cry. Laughing it is. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Being reported Barca have a 50% sell-on fee arranged **** off Stevie. The extent to which Purslow backed the wrong horse is astounding. He never did have a clue with football though. How much could he be worth? 8mil? 15 mil to Saudis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: That was reported at the time we signed him. It's not new information I actually never knew this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I actually never knew this. ye, 50% sell on fee, so its basically impossible to break even on him. Assuming 18m fee, 4.5m amortisation a year over 4 years, so 13.5m left and 3 years. We would need to sell him for 27m to break even...... selling him for even 10m, would be an 8.5m loss on the books. Edited June 21, 2023 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Being reported Barca have a 50% sell-on fee arranged 50% of nothing is nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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