Adman Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, Pinebro said: Emery didn't manage to get a tune out of Ozil and I think it's a similar situation. Some players are just past it and I feel it's the case with Coutinho. You might be right, however the blind optimism of this stage of a new managers career is the most exciting bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, Adman said: You might be right, however the blind optimism of this stage of a new managers career is the most exciting bit We saw a clue against Brentford I think. Literally everyone looked transformed except for this guy which is alarming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Pinebro said: We saw a clue against Brentford I think. Literally everyone looked transformed except for this guy which is alarming. Yes, but that's one game under new management (I know he's been poo for a while). Do you not think he can get back to where he was when he first joined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Pinebro said: We saw a clue against Brentford I think. Literally everyone looked transformed except for this guy which is alarming. I struggle to see how we sell him if he can’t be transformed either. We just have to hope Emery can get something out of him. We saw in the first handful of games when he came to us there was something in the tank, we just have to hope unlike Ozil that Emery can get it out of Coutinho in the future again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Adman said: Yes, but that's one game under new management (I know he's been poo for a while). Do you not think he can get back to where he was when he first joined? I have to hope. I think the same from a number of players. I’m almost at the stage that so many regressed under Gerrard that in that Brentford game we saw they weren’t that bad. I’m almost at the point i’m giving a clean slate under a new manager Emery to all the players and see what they can do, including Coutinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Hope so too, and I genuinely think he's a nice guy and his reasons for signing for us were genuine and not as a retirement contract. The ozil comparisons are hopefully way off 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Coutinho has shown plenty of evidence of being past it though? He struggles to compete physically. There's a reason he was signed by one of his mates - no-one else wanted him. Is that really true though? Spurs seemed to be interested at the time and I'm pretty sure Coutinho would have ended up going somewhere. Even I can't deny Gerrard had genuine pulling power, even though I knew it wouldn't last once reality kicked in. I still think he has a future with us under a better manager just like the rest of the squad but it's up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dounavilla Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Brazil head coach is a Tite. Lol didn't .know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 27/10/2022 at 18:54, nick76 said: I struggle to see how we sell him if he can’t be transformed either. We just have to hope Emery can get something out of him. We saw in the first handful of games when he came to us there was something in the tank, we just have to hope unlike Ozil that Emery can get it out of Coutinho in the future again. We'll shift him to NSWE's MLS Vegas side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 28/10/2022 at 07:19, sharkyvilla said: Spurs seemed to be interested at the time I doubt they were. Either made up rumours, like we know happen all the time, or agent trying to get best deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 27/10/2022 at 18:53, Adman said: Yes, but that's one game under new management (I know he's been poo for a while). Do you not think he can get back to where he was when he first joined? The best you can hope for from him is an impact sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 27/10/2022 at 19:01, Adman said: Hope so too, and I genuinely think he's a nice guy and his reasons for signing for us were genuine and not as a retirement contract. The ozil comparisons are hopefully way off He is genuine, a guy like him could have went to a tin pot league for 25m a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 27/10/2022 at 17:57, Tom13 said: Coutinho has shown plenty of evidence of being past it though? He struggles to compete physically. There's a reason he was signed by one of his mates - no-one else wanted him. I think they did. But he wanted to sign for his mate. Pretty much every team in the PL would have taken him for the fee and wages we got, but we'd got the option to buy in place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, sidcow said: Pretty much every team in the PL would have taken him for the fee and wages we got You sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 28, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: You sure about that? He's Philippe Coutinho. A massive name in the game. Don't underestimate the value his name alone can bring to a team in terms of global exposure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) It's fair to say he has not played well for months, but If anyone can get a tune out of him, it's Emery. If Emery can't get a tune out of Phillipe then it is fair to say that Phillipe is done at the highest levels of the game - and he is 29 so he should not be. Therefore I am confident that he will improve. He may have wanted to come and play for his mate, but as a pro, once he saw how shite a manager his mate was one can understand him losing his way a bit. Hopefully a bit of man management, and a system built to the players strength (you know, the kind of thing an actual coach or manager would do) then he should come good. Failing that, as mentioned above, he gets shipped off to the MLS. Edited October 28, 2022 by TheStagMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 4 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Bruno Guimareas definitely going to WC. DL, Joelinton and Coutinho the maybes… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 SG was holding Coutinho back as it was his mate hence got a bit too comfortable. Think Emery will provide much better guidance so hoping he'll respond positively and find his mojo again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 What makes everyone think they were "mates" Knowing Coutinho gets the first conversation and that's about it. Gerrard is ...or was the manager. They aren't going to laserquest together. From all the stories around Gerrard and Carragher I don't think any of them had football mates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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