Josh Cavallo

[sparrow1988]

1 minute ago, Designer1 said:

Such an odd hill to die on.

 

[lapal_fan]

5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

With all due respect, nobody gives a **** whether you give a ****

Like I said previously, it's really simple. This shouldn't be a big deal, but it is. And it needs to be a big deal until it stops being a big deal.

 

When the first black player played for England, it was a big deal. It shouldn't have been, but it was. And now it isn't, because things have moved on.

The same needs to happen with gay players.

 

If you can't see why having almost no gay players in the history of the game makes this a big deal then there's no helping you

You've hit the nail on the head.

 

57 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

He maybe only living a lie to people out his circle, an who cares about that.

HE cares about that! He doesn't want to "hide" his sexual orientation.  He wants to be open so when he's snapped holding hands with another dude people don't give him shit about"hiding" it.

1 hour ago, foreveryoung said:

If anything I'm adding debate, that's good yeah?

You're not adding anything to the "debate"! You're repeatedly saying you don't care about it, so why come out in the media about it  

You can have as much, or as little to do with this as you want! No-one is forcing you to add anything! 

Do you get involved with any other news as much as you have done with this?  

 

[HKP90]

I skimmed a few of the previous posts, but if someone has said this previously, I apologise. 

It seems to me more than reasonable to come out in public as a footballer. It's not just about him, footballers are role models, and if it can help even one kid growing up who is having a torrid time trying to figure out who they are and struggling with the strain of secrecy then it's done good. Fair play to him. And actually I think on the whole (some morons aside) most terraces will back him on this. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by HKP90
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[Ingram85]

Guys, don’t engage. People like that aren’t willing (maybe not able cognitively) to listen or learn. I hope he’s just on the wind up as he is in every other sensitive topic. It’s either having fun at others expense, a cognitive disease/smooth brain or more worryingly someone with lets say ‘questionable’ societal opinions of which we know what I mean.

Move on. Ignore. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Ingram85

[foreveryoung]

1 hour ago, Ingram85 said:

Guys, don’t engage. People like that aren’t willing (maybe not able cognitively) to listen or learn. I hope he’s just on the wind up as he is in every other sensitive topic. It’s either having fun at others expense, a cognitive disease/smooth brain or more worryingly someone with lets say ‘questionable’ societal opinions of which we know what I mean.

Move on. Ignore. 

Its just been quoted 90% of social media comments on this subject don't care, takng it that 15% maybe haters I'll  be in the 75% that are accepting but don't see it as some historical moment.

Your comments of me above are complete boll***s by the way, an I suggest you don't try to analyse me on here just because I don't agree with you and a few others views on certain subjects.

There's about 5 people in here fighting against my view, it by far does not represent the rest of the countries views. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by foreveryoung

[Ingram85]

5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Its just been quoted 90% of social media comments on this subject don't care, takng it that 15% maybe haters I'll  be in the 75% that are accepting but don't see it as some historical moment.

Your comments of me above are complete boll***s by the way, an I suggest you don't try to analyse me on here just because I don't agree with you and a few others views on certain subjects.

There's about 5 people in here fighting against my view, it by far does not represent the rest of the countries views. 

Not bothered pal, why should I care what you say? 

[Stevo985]

26 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Its just been quoted 90% of social media comments on this subject don't care, takng it that 15% maybe haters I'll  be in the 75% that are accepting but don't see it as some historical moment.

Your comments of me above are complete boll***s by the way, an I suggest you don't try to analyse me on here just because I don't agree with you and a few others views on certain subjects.

There's about 5 people in here fighting against my view, it by far does not represent the rest of the countries views. 

There's a difference between not caring whether that particular person is gay or straight; and not caring about this being a big moment for football and the LGBTQ+ community

It's not a big deal that a bloke called Barack Obama is a black man. It was a big deal when he became president

[Davkaus]

As an aside from this bizarre exchange, here's a take from one of our own

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/may/17/jake-daniels-blackpool

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I’ve often been asked how long it would take for a current English male professional footballer to come out as gay. Would it be a famous international player? Or someone at the very start of his professional career, such as Jake Daniels, who plays for Blackpool in the Championship? That Jake is the first is a huge step forward, but the fact it’s such big news is also something the media needs to reflect on. We all play a big part in that.

My immediate reaction was that he needs support. Because coming out is such a personal decision, a life-changing experience, and you have to understand when is the right moment. For Jake, it’s at the age of 17; for me it was at 31, shortly after retiring.

The idea of coming out while still playing went through my mind. I tried to prepare for it. I was curious to find out how my teammates would react, how the fans and media would react. But it just wasn’t the right time. People tried to protect me and it worked. That’s why for Jake to be so clear – at his age – is brilliant. To know so early in his life that he doesn’t want to live with a lie. It’s phenomenal to see the support he has had.

He’s at a stage of his career where he’s just signed a professional contract, he’s played a few minutes in the Championship and will probably play more next season. Now, everything is different. I’m curious to see how his career will develop. Because on the one hand he wants to be the best footballer possible, but on the other he wants to be a role model for the LGBTQ community and finding that balance is not going to be easy.

Hopefully, being open with everyone will make him an even better player. No secrets, nobody talking behind his back. But I hope he’s got good people around him, people who are also able to say no when the requests come in from all around the world.

When I came out in 2014, I was happy to get so much praise and positive feedback. It was confirmation of what I thought would happen. With Jake, who will be playing football in a stadium in a few months’ time, it’s a different matter. People will be waiting for the reaction, which I think will be positive. But maybe there’s a moment when a fan or one of the guys he plays against will abuse or insult him. It happened with other gay players in Robbie Rogers and Josh Cavallo, it happened in 2020 when Landon Donovan led his team off the field after a player was subjected to homophobic abuse. There may be incidents in the future and we have to be prepared for that.

Let’s not fool ourselves. There will always be discrimination, in football and in society. That’s when you have to be strong. That’s when you need to have confidence. Know how to separate the criticism that comes because you’ve done something wrong and the criticism that comes because you’re part of a minority. Some people are not at the point of acceptance. Not everyone will be clapping and cheering. That’s why you need to explain to people, talk to people, help them to understand

I still feel that curiosity when it comes to gay issues in professional football. I’m very happy to talk about them, to help the cause of fighting homophobia. But, at the same time, I have a career and want to be known for being good at my job. I’ve had a playing career, I’ve worked in the media, I’ve worked for a Bundesliga club. Finding that balance has worked quite well. And when people recognise me in the street, hardly anyone knows me as the “guy who came out”. Most of the time they say: “Oh, you’re that footballer.”

Jake said he had been emboldened by the story of Cavallo, the Adelaide United player who came out last year. I went through a similar experience.

It’s always other people who inspire you, who give you the confidence until it’s your turn to do it. That’s why, to this day, we still need people to come out publicly. You don’t just do it for yourself. You go public because you want to help so many other people out there who you don’t know, those who are still afraid to say what they feel. That’s why I will never regret coming out. And Jake won’t either.

 

[foreveryoung]

41 minutes ago, Ingram85 said:

Not bothered pal, why should I care what you say? 

Well I respect your opnion, just don't agree with it. Why you cannot accept mine I do not know, cause it may not be right to you,  but its certainly not wrong to everyone. 

But yes we will leave it there, as we're playing your right and everyone else who don't agree is wrong.

[Ingram85]

13 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Well I respect your opnion, just don't agree with it. Why you cannot accept mine I do not know, cause it may not be right to you,  but its certainly not wrong to everyone. 

But yes we will leave it there, as we're playing your right and everyone else who don't agree is wrong.

Well then, you and the fellow 75% are 100% wrong on this. Which is why there is a massive problem in the first place. 

[PussEKatt]

22 hours ago, tomav84 said:

maybe they should just keep their race to themselves, rather than feeling the need to tell the world that they're black

Thats exactly my point.Why do people have to tell the world that they are gay,black,prefer short fat blonds,prefer tall dark redheads,etc etc etc.I mean IS the whole world waiting with bated breadth to find out if you are gay,bisexual,homosexual,like to wear womens underwear.FFS,if thats all that interests some people then they need to either get a life or spend the rest of their lifes watching Coronation St,Emmerdale,days of out lifes etc.

[rodders0223]

Probably the most frustrating thread on here since the Bannan thread.

Arguing for the sake of arguing. People just purposely being dense or obtuse.

[StefanAVFC]

19 minutes ago, PussEKatt said:

Thats exactly my point.Why do people have to tell the world that they are gay,black,prefer short fat blonds,prefer tall dark redheads,etc etc etc.I

For the last time.

It isn't that 'he's gay', it's that he's gay in the context of male professional sport where exactly 3 players have come out in the last 30 years, if not in professional football history.

@Stevo985's example above is great. It's like saying 'So what that Obama's black, a large % of the US is black'. The context of him being the first ever black president combined with black oppression beforehand made it a huge deal.

It's the same here. Gay footballers don't just come out. It just does not happen.

[Stevo985]

22 minutes ago, PussEKatt said:

if you are gay,bisexual,homosexual,like to wear womens underwear.

Seriously, stop making this comparison.

Being gay is not a kink. It's not a secret that should be kept in the bedroom. It's not even about sex.

 

Being gay is a way of life that SHOULD BE totally accepted. In football, for whatever reason, it is not. More people doing what Jake is doing will help change that. But until they do that, it won't change.
People dismissing this as nothing or declaring they don't care isn't helping anything. It's just monumentally ignorant

[PussEKatt]

Put it another way then.If he is a foreward,then I would want to know how many goals he scores a season.If he is a GK then I would want to know how many clean sheets he has in a season.The fact that he is/isnt gay does not come into it at all.

How about L.Suraez,he bites people.does that stop top clubs from having him on their books ? no,because its irrelevant.  

[Rodders]

Idrissa Gueye refuses to wear PSG shirt featuring rainbow symbol - BBC Sport

 

further context. This word removed is being celebrated by people in countries where homosexuality is still illegal. That's why it's a big deal. Once the kind of backward malevolent thinking of the type that plagues these societies ( **** you religion ) is beaten then it stops being a big deal. Until then, good on him, **** gueye and all his dipshit bigoted mates. 

[Stevo985]

1 minute ago, PussEKatt said:

Put it another way then.If he is a foreward,then I would want to know how many goals he scores a season.If he is a GK then I would want to know how many clean sheets he has in a season.The fact that he is/isnt gay does not come into it at all.

How about L.Suraez,he bites people.does that stop top clubs from having him on their books ? no,because its irrelevant.  

What the **** are you talking about?  

[Ingram85]

Thick as **** mince.

[Zatman]

26 minutes ago, PussEKatt said:

Thats exactly my point.Why do people have to tell the world that they are black

Sure they should keep that information to themselves and keep that information behind closed doors

[PussEKatt]

2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

 

 

People dismissing this as nothing or declaring they don't care isn't helping anything. It's just monumentally ignorant

Why fo we have to help a gay person come out ? If you are gay and you want to tell the world,then thats up to you.On the other hand,if you are gay and you want to keep it quiet,then,so be it.

Ok,so,its a way of life.So,if you want to tell the world about "your"way of life then go ahead ( im sure some people are interested )My way of life here in Perth,is like everyone else in Perth.You cant buy a raincoat in the shops because it only rains for about 12 days a year here.So,do I feel the need to tell everyone that we have 353 days of sunshine a year ? no, because most people wouldent give a toss.