The_Steve Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I know he had injuries, just can’t fathom how Smith and Gerrard treated him. Still has a lot to offer and I’m glad Unai gave him the nod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 12 hours ago, grantholtgolazo said: Haha, I’ll become a Sanson fan soon as he’s scored more villa goals than big Grant Jacob Ramsey has scored the same number of PL goals for Man United as big Grant has for the Villa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I can way in here a bit as I'm always hoping for Sanson to get on. It's right in saying he hasn't done anything at Villa. But the thought process is he hasn't had the opportunity. He's shown a few flashes of being a smooth player but that's it. He was a great player in France and came with big expectations. His manager quit after Sanson was sold from under him. It's a little like if Bruno G was bought by Newcastle but then never played. I'm not saying they're the same standard but Sanson was meant to be a real coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Indigo Posted November 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2022 I think it's good to see fans of a team get behind a lad that seems to have been having a rough time of things (regardless of whether he's good enough or not). I don't think supporting him needs a huge amount of justification really. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 53 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I agree with your sentiment, but Hutton is not a legend of Aston Villa You score a goal like he did against our bitter neighbour's, then you're a legend in the eyes of many Villa supporters, evidently, not all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Indigo said: I think it's good to see fans of a team get behind a lad that seems to have been having a rough time of things (regardless of whether he's good enough or not). I don't think supporting him needs a huge amount of justification really. hear hear no one is saying he's the 2nd coming of iniesta. we're just saying that over the past 12 months he's earned more opportunities than he's received Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 We all love a good redemption story. I thought Merson was finished before that beautiful long distance equaliser against Sheffield Wednesday at the end of 1999. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duke313 Posted November 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2022 Nobody thinks he's the next Zidane, but there was no justification for McGinn starting every single week over him. He hadn't played a single minute this season, not even as a sub, despite our midfield be terrible under Gerrard. Most of us just want to see him play, he might be crap, but we won't know until he gets a consistent run of games. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, duke313 said: but there was no justification for McGinn starting every single week over him 100 % this, no way should he start or have started as many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: I agree with your sentiment, but Hutton is not a legend of Aston Villa That goal alone makes Hutton a bonafide Aston Villa legend and I will fight any man who disagrees Edited November 7, 2022 by Steero113 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantholtgolazo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I’m surprised to see so many touting the redemption story angle, seems almost quaint or sentimental in modern big money sport, but I love it. Always great to see fans exhibit actual empathy, understanding players are as human and complex as any of us. Seems as supporters we haven’t had the most charitable understanding of our players struggles in the past, hopefully this understanding/better treatment is afforded to others as consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: You score a goal like he did against our bitter neighbour's, then you're a legend in the eyes of many Villa supporters, evidently, not all of them. He's somewhat of a cult hero, but he's not a legend. He was a below average right back. But as seems to be the theme amongst football fans, not being good enough for anyone to want you meaning you stick around for ages makes you a legend, rather than actually being a good player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He's somewhat of a cult hero, but he's not a legend. He was a below average right back. But as seems to be the theme amongst football fans, not being good enough for anyone to want you meaning you stick around for ages makes you a legend, rather than actually being a good player For where we were, and what he subsequently achieved with us (promotion, club record 10 wins etc.), he was an excellent right back thanks very much. It's not all about being a PL team of the year player. Football is about emotion, Alan Hutton was responsible for not only one of the most iconic Villa goals for 30 years, he was an integral part of our return to top flight football. He was also a huge fan of the club we all love and still speak extremely highly of his time here, most of which he was treated like shit. Sorry for derailing the Morgan *Gorgeous Bast**d* Sanson thread. Back to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Steero113 said: For where we were, and what he subsequently achieved with us (promotion, club record 10 wins etc.), he was an excellent right back thanks very much. No he wasn't, he was a shit right back for years and gave us a couple of decent seasons in the championship. No argument about his commitment and his affection for the club. But if I played for Villa that's how I would feel, but I'd stink the place up every week because I'm shit at football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He's somewhat of a cult hero, but he's not a legend. He was a below average right back. But as seems to be the theme amongst football fans, not being good enough for anyone to want you meaning you stick around for ages makes you a legend, rather than actually being a good player I didn't say him sticking around made him a legend, I said the wonderful goal he scored against our bitter rivals would give him legendary status amongst a lot of our supporters. You can be cynical about that all you want, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: No he wasn't, he was a shit right back for years and gave us a couple of decent seasons in the championship. No argument about his commitment and his affection for the club. But if I played for Villa that's how I would feel, but I'd stink the place up every week because I'm shit at football. when he came to us he wasn't good enough, when he left he was considered one of the better players but his level didn't change in that time, he still wasn't good enough we just got so much **** worse as for sanson it seems crazy that we've screamed out for composure on the ball in midfield for so long and this guy who looks our most composed player hasn't got a sniff, even if he's not starting he's perfect for coming on as a sub when we're winning or trying to hold on to a draw slow the game down keep possession make easy passes, emery played him perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: I didn't say him sticking around made him a legend, I said the wonderful goal he scored against our bitter rivals would give him legendary status amongst a lot of our supporters. You can be cynical about that all you want, but it is what it is. Ok, I'd argue one goal doesn't make you a legend otherwise players like Danny Rose must be considered a Spurs legend. But each to their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I don’t think Smith froze Sanson out btw. He generally liked to take his time to integrate new players into the team, and Sanson kept getting injured as that was happening. The issue with Gerrard was something personal. What might help with Unai is he’s managed in France before, so assume he speaks a little bit of French, and is more used to handling a squad with players from all over the world. (I think this is one of the reasons foreign coaches have started to dominate the PL - it helps if you’ve travelled about a bit, managed in different leagues, and speak a couple of languages.) Plus Sanson has a few French speakers around him now in Kamara, Digne, Guilbert, Konsa (Congolese father), which must help him feel more settled. Anyway, keen to see what he can do. I don’t think he’s the second coming, but he’s clearly good enough to deserve more game time this season, and he’s a nice composed midfielder with a great engine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Ok, I'd argue one goal doesn't make you a legend otherwise players like Danny Rose must be considered a Spurs legend. But each to their own I'm just reaching for my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I don’t think Smith froze Sanson out btw. He generally liked to take his time to integrate new players into the team, and Sanson kept getting injured as that was happening. The issue with Gerrard was something personal. What might help with Unai is he’s managed in France before, so assume he speaks a little bit of French, and is more used to handling a squad with players from all over the world. (I think this is one of the reasons foreign coaches have started to dominate the PL - it helps if you’ve travelled about a bit, managed in different leagues, and speak a couple of languages.) Plus Sanson has a few French speakers around him now in Kamara, Digne, Guilbert, Konsa (Congolese father), which must help him feel more settled. Anyway, keen to see what he can do. I don’t think he’s the second coming, but he’s clearly good enough to deserve more game time this season, and he’s a nice composed midfielder with a great engine. Emery is from the French border so he should be quite fluent in French plus his 2 years in Paris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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