maqroll Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: We could do with a dead ball specialist who is also a good player generally. If we had someone who could curl free kicks in to the top corner from 18-25 yards we would be deadly. Tbh I'm surprised grealish doesn't have this in his locker..... Or Traore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 hours ago, maqroll said: Or Traore. He said good player generally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I agree with the general consensus of improving the team when we are in a good position - best and easiest way to progress and develop due to being better proposition for better players. However, I think we are underestimating/forgetting the FFP implications. We were hamstrung by it in the Summer with DS constantly staying we needed to sell to buy after we had bought our initial targets. We were clearly at our limits of FFP mainly due to still having to factor in our previous 2 Championship seasons. Therefore, I cannot see how this situation has changed and will not change until the Summer and even then our final season in the Champ will still be part of the calculation and so have an impact, albeit a diluted one The will to strengthen in Jan will definitely be there but the lack of financial ability due to the rolling 3 year FFP accounting period will probably mean a small outlay if any in Jan even if we offload CH for example. I can see the loan to buy option being our only route as we are then utilising the Summer budget in Jan without the initial outlay prior to the FFP period ending; it will then be a case of the wages of that player being ‘paid’ for by outgoings. Kalinic out on loan will free up some wages but i’m guessing that those alone will not cover any incoming salary. Obvs I could be totally wrong but cannot see how the FFP limitations we had to abide by in the Summer will have disappeared only a few weeks later. Overall, definitely need outgoings if we are to bring anyone in and only then probably only looking at one incoming, hence the fact Dean is extolling the virtues of our ‘deep’ squad with ‘players still to come back’. Managing our expectations, IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 10 hours ago, GingerCollins29 said: Yeh, i thought we were tight enough in the summer with the whole, need to shift some out. Makes the thread rather pointless As per my previous post, completely agree re FFP. I don’t think the thread is pointless though....maybe some realism needed in regards to our targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I see mild speculation about sivert mannsverk, an 18yr old Norwegian central midfielder from Sogndal Any of our Scandi based VTers know much about him? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-arsenal-19553318.amp Clearly one for the future but I like our recent thoughts on the recruiting for youth set up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, theboyangel said: I see mild speculation about sivert mannsverk, an 18yr old Norwegian central midfielder from Sogndal Any of our Scandi based VTers know much about him? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-arsenal-19553318.amp Clearly one for the future but I like our recent thoughts on the recruiting for youth set up I don't think we'll be able to sign players from European leagues of that size with the new VISA rules. @HanoiVillan has written a good explanation post in Other Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 hours ago, kidlewis said: Yeah it’s why I’m still annoyed we lost. I hate valiant effort for nothing. https://onefootball.com/en/news/report-arsenal-need-to-pay-25m-to-sign-emiliano-buendia-32078101 this article outlines £15m in the summer and circa £25m for Buendia in Jan. given his performances and his work rate £25m higher than we should pay. If We could for £20m I think it’s worth it. ive seen a few Norwich games on tv and Reading too. Buendia has been the stand out player for those two clubs. he’s a wide player and if Benhrama can do a job this guy can be better for sure I wanted Buendia in the last window and if we could get him for £25m now (which I doubt) then it would be money well spent, for me. With them top of the league, I think they would want silly money to let him go now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Did we not try to sign Callum Wilson near the end of the transfer window? Would this not imply we have around £15 million plus significant wages left? I can't actually remember if Traore and Barkley came in after this bid though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Did we not try to sign Callum Wilson near the end of the transfer window? Would this not imply we have around £15 million plus significant wages left? I can't actually remember if Traore and Barkley came in after this bid though... Barkley 100% was after this. It's not so much the fee per say but the wages. Although none of us know what percentage of Ross's wages we are picking up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 hours ago, MaVilla said: We could do with a dead ball specialist who is also a good player generally. If we had someone who could curl free kicks in to the top corner from 18-25 yards we would be deadly. Tbh I'm surprised grealish doesn't have this in his locker..... You’re right though....it’s probably the only (and surprising) weakness of his game given his quality otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa82 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, theboyangel said: I see mild speculation about sivert mannsverk, an 18yr old Norwegian central midfielder from Sogndal Any of our Scandi based VTers know much about him? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-arsenal-19553318.amp Clearly one for the future but I like our recent thoughts on the recruiting for youth set up Player of the season in the division. only 18 years old. Captan when 17. MOM in the play off final, but his Club lost it in the the last seconds. Calm midfielder. His manager is Eirik Bakke (played for us on loan from Leeds). Other known player from Sogndal are Tore Andre Flo (Chelsea). He says that he only leave for first team football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, theboyangel said: I see mild speculation about sivert mannsverk, an 18yr old Norwegian central midfielder from Sogndal Any of our Scandi based VTers know much about him? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-arsenal-19553318.amp Clearly one for the future but I like our recent thoughts on the recruiting for youth set up Almost impossible to judge players at this age IMO, but he is sort of like what I thought Gary Gardner would be. Lanky, decent pass and read of the game. Can run with the ball a bit like Vieira did at times, but he is a long way from PL material. He's got experience from the second highest division in Norway, and while it's impressive that he's captain at 18, it's hard to say how he would handle the step up. Italian clubs have been following him for a couple of years though. Bologna for sure, and a couple of others. Italian clubs have had a hard-on for young Norwegian players for some years now. I actually wouldn't be surprised if more young Norwegian players went to Italy over England in recent years. Which I think has not happened since the 60s. As for Mannsverk, it's hard to say how he will develop, but I assume he can be bought for less than £ 2 million. Might be worth it, but who the hell knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, villa82 said: Player of the season in the division. only 18 years old. Captan when 17. MOM in the play off final, but his Club lost it in the the last seconds. Calm midfielder. His manager is Eirik Bakke (played for us on loan from Leeds). Other known player from Sogndal are Tore Andre Flo (Chelsea). He says that he only leave for first team football. Hardly. Takes some doing taking that off Sveen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Steero113 said: Barkley 100% was after this. It's not so much the fee per say but the wages. Although none of us know what percentage of Ross's wages we are picking up. Yeah, the overall cost of any transfer that is predominantly wages, is the key. Hence the reason I just can see us buying any first team players in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPDK Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, theboyangel said: I see mild speculation about sivert mannsverk, an 18yr old Norwegian central midfielder from Sogndal Any of our Scandi based VTers know much about him? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-arsenal-19553318.amp Clearly one for the future but I like our recent thoughts on the recruiting for youth set up I've done some stuff for the Norwegian football federation, so I've seen him quite a bit of him for the Norwegian U18 national team. He looked okay and it's worth noting that he was a year younger than the rest of the squad. He looked good in practice and he seemed like a good and mature lad when I talked to him, but he didn't get many minutes in actual games when I had the opportunity to see him. But I think Norway has a couple of just as interesting players coming up in his age group (Christos Zafeiris (Grorud IL); Nicolaj Skoglund (Sporting CP); Joshua Kitolano (Odds BK); Thomas Rekdal (Mainz); Oscar Bobb (Man City); Leo Fuhr Hjelde (Celtic)). Generally, Norway has a very good generation coming up right now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I'm not expecting anything this window at all but I would love a totally under the radar signing to come from Lange this month. It would be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 We do need another forward. Watkins has been good given its his first season at the top level but you can't expect him to carry all the load. It is the one area that we need to improve on. In the 53 games back in the top flight our forward line has scored 15 goals and that is including Traore who isn't a out and out striker. In comparison our midfield has scored 41 goals and our defence 12 goals. Stating the bleedin obvious but without Jack last season we would have gone down. It is a good sign that all departments of the team are chipping in with goals and yes last season was a nightmare up front with Wes getting injured and Samatta not working out but still. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Carlsen Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, theboyangel said: I see mild speculation about sivert mannsverk, an 18yr old Norwegian central midfielder from Sogndal Any of our Scandi based VTers know much about him? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-arsenal-19553318.amp Clearly one for the future but I like our recent thoughts on the recruiting for youth set up Captain and stand out player in the norwegian second division. From the little i've seen he has very good vision, good passing accuracy and is calm on the ball. Quite impressive for a 17 (now 18 year old). If he is ready for the PL is a different question, probably a way to go. But definately an interesting prospect. When it comes to young players: I firmly believe that aquiring (or scouting for) skill will only take you so far, and that mentality/attitude, personality and work rate makes the difference in terms of reaching the highest level in the end. Given that he has been given captaincy over players 10-15 years older than himself (and outshine them on the pitch) tells me that this must be quite a special lad. Edited January 3, 2021 by K-Carlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Steero113 said: Barkley 100% was after this. It's not so much the fee per say but the wages. Although none of us know what percentage of Ross's wages we are picking up. I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that we paid a £10m loan fee on top of hi wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 19 hours ago, Rich192 said: I imagine Kalinic’s space in the squad goes to Wesley. So unless we shift another player, we won’t bring anyone in. Yeah I thought Lansbury would of chose the pay off than turn it down, I think it's clear by now hes never getting near the first eleven anymore. Taylor is another we could sell but wed have to bring in a LB if we do. Not sure about Conor, has not got his foot in this league as he did in the championship, maybe we could sell him on. There is Elmo as well and just use Guilbert as rotation for Cash. Davis in my eyes, I am very unsure about, he doesnt provide the club with goals and he doesnt exactly do what Watkins does so it's tough for him being at this club although he trying hard. Maybe as other suggest, send on loan see if he can make something of himself and discover the goal scorer in himself, if not sell. There are option we can take to free up space, but for where we want to hang now, we need better than those sorry to say. We cant be hanging on to players who are not going to improve us anymore. Improvement in this business means hanging onto your best and selling the rest, so long as we sell at the right time after enough of a chance has been given. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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