Davkaus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, AXD said: Am i the only one who is not a fan of this xG and xA? It strikes me as a made up statistic to have something to talk about. I understand the calculations behind it, but treating goalscoring opportunities like exact science seems weird. To me there are already enough stats that can seem important, but don’t really matter. eg possession is obviously important, you want to have the ball, but I remember our first season under Lambert where we won a number of games with 30-40% I guess these stats will become more and more mainstream, but it feels ‘American’, over analysing everything in sports. I don't know where it came from, I logged in one day and it's everywhere. I pretty much zone out whenever someone starts trying to use it to prove something about performances. When they started giving Actual Points for Expected Goals, I'll give a shit. If my aunt had 2 expected bollocks, she still wouldn't be my uncle. Edited December 27, 2020 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Keyblade said: It's really easy to deal with Spurs. Play deep, don't give them space in behind to go in front (and give them the opportunity to sit back for the rest of the game). They don't have any players to unlock defences that sit back. Same with United. Don't give them space to counter. They don't have many ideas to break down teams when the onus is on them. The only one I'm confused about is Chelsea. How do we even approach that tomorrow? They don't play with any discernible tactics. Their game is just about blowing teams away with their superior firepower and scoring from set pieces. That’s because they have a shit manager. I’m amazed they haven’t got somebody else in to manage such a strong squad. They should be winning the league with the amount or talent they have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I’m watching Spurs Wolves, if Connor Coady is an England CB then someone needs to send that pointy nosed gypsy banger a tape of Ezri Konsa as he’s leagues ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 That Neto guy is really impressing me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steero113 said: gypsy banger Who? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: Who? What? Sorry we’re not allowed to mention Southgate on here right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Steero113 said: Sorry we’re not allowed to mention Southgate on here right? Oh, I didn't understand your joke. Gypsy banger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: Oh, I didn't understand your joke. Gypsy banger? He’s basically the scum of the earth, it wasn’t my best. He’s my most hated person in football by a mile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa_shere Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, AXD said: Am i the only one who is not a fan of this xG and xA? It strikes me as a made up statistic to have something to talk about. I understand the calculations behind it, but treating goalscoring opportunities like exact science seems weird. To me there are already enough stats that can seem important, but don’t really matter. eg possession is obviously important, you want to have the ball, but I remember our first season under Lambert where we won a number of games with 30-40% I guess these stats will become more and more mainstream, but it feels ‘American’, over analysing everything in sports. It’s one of the lesser important stats but definitely one to pay attention to. More so when things are going against you. It tells you that whilst results aren’t going your way if you keep playing how you’re playing the goals will come. Or similarly if a team scores with creating little it shows they may have been lucky. if you look at the xG table it should be of no surprise as to how close it mirrors the league. another stat managers are hot on these days is distance covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Adama Traore back to the Adama we used to know at Villa. Zero end product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Adama Traore back to the Adama we used to know at Villa. Zero end product Most overhyped player in the league. It's always a big buzz when he comes on. Someone, somewhere, posted his stats compared to El Ghazi. Anwar rips him to shreds. But he's big and muscly, and used to play for Barcelona. You'd think a prime Ronaldo was on the pitch the way some talk about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 It’s good to see our title rivals dropping points this weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Good job Woofs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 One win in last six for Spurs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: It’s good to see our title rivals dropping points this weekend. Nice to see our local rivals doing us a favour for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Most results gone our way so far. Wins from our games in hand and we could have been 2nd 1 point behind Liverplop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Steero113 said: He’s basically the scum of the earth, it wasn’t my best. He’s my most hated person in football by a mile. I give you Robbie Savage!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post YouUnastanFren Posted December 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, AXD said: Am i the only one who is not a fan of this xG and xA? It strikes me as a made up statistic to have something to talk about. I understand the calculations behind it, but treating goalscoring opportunities like exact science seems weird. To me there are already enough stats that can seem important, but don’t really matter. eg possession is obviously important, you want to have the ball, but I remember our first season under Lambert where we won a number of games with 30-40% I guess these stats will become more and more mainstream, but it feels ‘American’, over analysing everything in sports. xG and xGA are far better predictors of future performances/results than any other underlying stat imho. I'd say they're actually better predictors of future results than actual goals and goals against are. For instance after our losses against SOU, WHU and BHA people were saying we were defensively weak because we'd conceded 8 goals. The reality was our xGA was just 3.07 total for these games. That suggested we were solid just unlucky and that we'd be likely to concede less if our performances remained the same. Sure enough since then we have had 4 CSs in a row (and a total xGA of 2.4). Naturally over small sample sizes teams are likely to over or under perform both metrics by a large percentage but over the course of the season they tend to be fairly accurate. xA is a fair bit more abstract and difficult to use, but then assists are more abstract than goals so that makes sense. The possession stat alone is for all intents and purposes completely useless. When it's divided into territories it becomes more useful but when passing it along your own back 4 is worth as much as passing it in the opposition box it's not going to be a good predictor of anything. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 It's our title to lose now with Pool and Spurs dropping points 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, villa_shere said: It’s one of the lesser important stats but definitely one to pay attention to. More so when things are going against you. It tells you that whilst results aren’t going your way if you keep playing how you’re playing the goals will come. Or similarly if a team scores with creating little it shows they may have been lucky. if you look at the xG table it should be of no surprise as to how close it mirrors the league. another stat managers are hot on these days is distance covered. Being devils advocate maybe, but the first paragraph is like clutching at straws when you are on a losing streak. Creating good chances means nothing if you don’t put them in. the last thing you mention is a fair point as is showing the effort the team puts in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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