Popular Post foreveryoung Posted January 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: Not sure I agree with this but if it were the case I could perhaps sympathise. You're the club top scorer and made it into the England squad whilst playing as a main striker. This new chap turns up in the summer being paid 30% more than you. When he gets picked you get shunted into a different position. When he plays he swans about as the last man with his hand in the air expecting Hollywood passes to his feet, when these inevitably don't arrive he throws his hands and points. While all this is happening you're still solidly working your bollox off playing out of position. I be a bit narked if it was me. Try harder to get involved, He should be taking notes, Ings having more experience, it's blatantly obvious he's not interested in what Ings does. Start grafting more, looking. chasing, where's the hold up play gone, where's the pressing, you rarely see him calling for the pass anymore. We are going places with him or without him, so he needs to decide if he wants to be here, if not he can **** off to Arsenal, cause the way he is playing, looks like he is half way there. Love him to bits, but we can't carry passengers, we have had enough of that over the years. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbvilla909 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, lexicon said: Really? Formation totally changed, lost the guy who assisted so many of his goals, expensive striker signing rattling him a bit... it's all pretty obvious why, no? Explains some but, most of what made him so successful last season was his work rate, pressing out of possession. That for me has dropped off big time 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jbvilla909 said: Explains some but, most of what made him so successful last season was his work rate, pressing out of possession. That for me has dropped off big time Dropped off big time? It's gone from 16.9 to 15.4 per game - that's a tiny difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmirch Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 11:04, gilbertoAVFC said: I've really heard it all on this forum recently. People comparing Douglas Luiz to Ashley Westwood and now Ollie Watkins to Andi Weimann. People are so unbelievably ungrateful. Watkins is the most all-round striker we have had since Yorke and will only get better. He'll be second to Kane at the World Cup imo. Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossco76 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Whether you're pro Watkins or not, surely most people would agree he was atrocious today against utd, just really really poor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 hours ago, villa89 said: This. He's not going to kick on and become a top striker. He's not clinical enough and his touch is woeful. Poor mans lukaku. Same amount of goals as Lukaku in the league. And chalk and cheese comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Once Coutinho gets up to speed and we go back to one up top I still give it to Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: He's good at running channels stretching defences and can score a goal. That's it. When he is played as anything other than an advanced striker you really do see the lack of ability and top tier coaching he's not had coming through the leagues. You look at Ramsay and Chuk. They play at their own pace at times. Their touch is golden they aren't panicked. Watkins at times and especially in congested areas...he can't control a bag of cement he can't think quick enough to find a pass. He's a very very very limited footballer. He's not a winger. He's not a second striker. He can't do it. Spot on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 31 minutes ago, Rossco76 said: Whether you're pro Watkins or not, surely most people would agree he was atrocious today against utd, just really really poor. Without a doubt, but this obsession by many to complain about players and talk about binning them off after every match is mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2022 Ings or Watkins needs to be dropped and stick with one up front. I think Watkins is the guy to lead the line 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Pass. The. Ball. Think he will benefit massively by having two creators either side of him ONCE Coutinho is guy fit. I agree though, be a good teammate and PASS THE BALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 He worries me a bit. Keeps the ball too long, loses it, sloppy touches, runs down blind alleyways... He can be awesome in this team, but he needs to sharpen up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbvilla909 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 9 hours ago, lexicon said: Dropped off big time? It's gone from 16.9 to 15.4 per game - that's a tiny difference. I just call what I see mate not what the stat says. May only be marginal but, his pressing this season has not been effective imo even less so when out wide. Him and Ings do not work together, play either or down the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 56 minutes ago, Jbvilla909 said: I just call what I see mate not what the stat says. May only be marginal but, his pressing this season has not been effective imo even less so when out wide. Him and Ings do not work together, play either or down the middle He's actually marginally more successful with his pressing this season, 27% to 26.5%. I don't want to sound like an arse here, but when I've got a negative feeling about a player or their performance, I check the stats to see whether my instinct/memory correlates with the data first - even just with fbref and whoscored we've got a wealth of analytics available to us now - because I know that I can be sometimes be biased and mistaken. I agree that he and Ings don't work together, though. I really don't see the point of them both being there when we have so much attacking talent available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbvilla909 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, lexicon said: He's actually marginally more successful with his pressing this season, 27% to 26.5%. I don't want to sound like an arse here, but when I've got a negative feeling about a player or their performance, I check the stats to see whether my instinct/memory correlates with the data first - even just with fbref and whoscored we've got a wealth of analytics available to us now - because I know that I can be sometimes be biased and mistaken. I agree that he and Ings don't work together, though. I really don't see the point of them both being there when we have so much attacking talent available. That's fair mate. I just look at games through beer goggles most the time and have no urge to check the data 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Watch him be MOTM next game and the knee jerkers will look foolish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Watkins tries too much at times. When he keeps it simple he’s a much better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Jbvilla909 said: That's fair mate. I just look at games through beer goggles most the time and have no urge to check the data Over the years we've needed beer goggles tbf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbvilla909 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, lexicon said: Over the years we've needed beer goggles tbf Thirty plus years, I'm surprised I can still look at VP let alone a game there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, lexicon said: I agree that he and Ings don't work together, though. I really don't see the point of them both being there when we have so much attacking talent available. Pretty sure that with the arrival of Coutinho then Gerrard's normal formation will be 1 striker with Emi and Coutinho just behind. The pressure is then on Ings and Watkins to (a) prove that they should be the starting striker and (b) that we don't need to look for a striker in the summer. Although both have had a frustrating and disrupted first half of the season they need to do better in the second half. Also have to say that if we can keep clear of injuries I think the whole team looks more balanced now than it did at the start of the season so hopefully that means we will be creating more, and better, chances for whoever is playing up top. At the risk of upsetting most of the forum I can't help but think that Tammy would be a better fit to the way it looks like we will be playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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