Straggler Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Well yes but you have to be smoking crack to think Sanders would have beaten Trump in the election. Even Biden wishy-washy centrist platform has only just go over the line. The states is a fairly right wing place and no socialist will ever become president. Guess Im on crack then. I honestly thought that the high would have been more noticable. Maybe, just maybe the "wishy-washy centrist platform" wasn't what peaople really wanted. Lets face it Biden won because he isn't Trump not for anything he actually stood for. Sanders is also not Trump so he had that going for him too. Sanders also had a platform of medicare for all that polls ar around 70% popularity, tax the rich which polls at around 65% popularity, and cancelling student debt which polls at around 60%. It's a long shot, but campaigning on policies the vast majority want might have had a shot. Shame we never got to see it play out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Straggler said: Guess Im on crack then. I honestly thought that the high would have been more noticable. I have been told it is quite moreish. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, The Fun Factory said: I have been told it is quite moreish. That might explain why I just mugged a granny for pocket change. Are dealers using contactless during Covid or do they take cash? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villakram Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 11 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Not sure what you mean? Was this already posted? If you 're talking about plagiarism surely you mean the whore from Slovenia who doesn't give a shit about children in cages? Classy. I like how you have forgotten the immense amount of deportations under Obama or the locking of people/children in cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Straggler said: Guess Im on crack then. I honestly thought that the high would have been more noticable. Maybe, just maybe the "wishy-washy centrist platform" wasn't what peaople really wanted. Lets face it Biden won because he isn't Trump not for anything he actually stood for. Sanders is also not Trump so he had that going for him too. Sanders also had a platform of medicare for all that polls ar around 70% popularity, tax the rich which polls at around 65% popularity, and cancelling student debt which polls at around 60%. It's a long shot, but campaigning on policies the vast majority want might have had a shot. Shame we never got to see it play out. The Sanders counter-factual is interesting, but like all counter-factuals fundamentally unknowable. I think the two powerful arguments that he would not have won are 1] Biden won the election both on turnout *and* persuasion; the persuasion part would probably have been (much?) harder for Sanders; 2] the theory that Sanders would have turned out lots of new voters is pretty badly undermined by him not turning out lots of new voters during the primary. However, it's worth remembering that most of us never expected Trump to win, and statements like 'a socialist could never win the presidency' are like 'a businessman who has confessed to sexual assault on tape could never win the presidency', ie they are true until they aren't. I do think that Biden could have emphasised some of the more popular left-wing measures in the Dem platform (like the raising the minimum wage for instance) and maybe that would have helped downballot. Again, we'll never know for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AXD Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, villakram said: Classy. I like how you have forgotten the immense amount of deportations under Obama or the locking of people/children in cages. I didn't really understand how this conversation turned to kids in cages so I went back to look. -Someone said he did not really believe these lawsuits would be effective -You question this, because the republicans have good lawyers -TheAuthority shows a tweet that says the Trump team did not file the appeal correctly, questioning the good lawyers -You see this post as plagiarism -TheAuthority asks why you mention plagiarism, giving an example of plagiarism -You throw in 'deportations under Obama and locking kids in cages' Did I summarise this correctly? If so, I am still confused as to how you got from a normal discussion about how all these lawsuits would go about and who would do well in them to using 'deportations under Obama' as a response. That is a completely different matter, or am I missing something? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, AXD said: I didn't really understand how this conversation turned to kids in cages so I went back to look. -Someone said he did not really believe these lawsuits would be effective -You question this, because the republicans have good lawyers -TheAuthority shows a tweet that says the Trump team did not file the appeal correctly, questioning the good lawyers -You see this post as plagiarism -TheAuthority asks why you mention plagiarism, giving an example of plagiarism -You throw in 'deportations under Obama and locking kids in cages' Did I summarise this correctly? If so, I am still confused as to how you got from a normal discussion about how all these lawsuits would go about and who would do well in them to using 'deportations under Obama' as a response. That is a completely different matter, or am I missing something? His guy lost so it's turning into whataboutism. Unsurprising really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Straggler said: Guess Im on crack then. I honestly thought that the high would have been more noticable. Maybe, just maybe the "wishy-washy centrist platform" wasn't what peaople really wanted. Lets face it Biden won because he isn't Trump not for anything he actually stood for. Sanders is also not Trump so he had that going for him too. Sanders also had a platform of medicare for all that polls ar around 70% popularity, tax the rich which polls at around 65% popularity, and cancelling student debt which polls at around 60%. It's a long shot, but campaigning on policies the vast majority want might have had a shot. Shame we never got to see it play out. I firmly believe that a sizable swath of MAGA respected Sanders and could have voted for him this election and in 2016. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, AXD said: I didn't really understand how this conversation turned to kids in cages so I went back to look. -Someone said he did not really believe these lawsuits would be effective -You question this, because the republicans have good lawyers -TheAuthority shows a tweet that says the Trump team did not file the appeal correctly, questioning the good lawyers -You see this post as plagiarism -TheAuthority asks why you mention plagiarism, giving an example of plagiarism -You throw in 'deportations under Obama and locking kids in cages' Did I summarise this correctly? If so, I am still confused as to how you got from a normal discussion about how all these lawsuits would go about and who would do well in them to using 'deportations under Obama' as a response. That is a completely different matter, or am I missing something? Strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: Classy. No real class is defending White Supremacists, eh VK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, maqroll said: I firmly believe that a sizable swath of MAGA respected Sanders and could have voted for him this election and in 2016. Yea this is the thing. Many blue collar Democrats lost to Trump could have found a home with Sanders but we’ll never know for sure. It didn’t work in the U.K. when Corbyn had couple of elections in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, maqroll said: I firmly believe that a sizable swath of MAGA respected Sanders and could have voted for him this election and in 2016. One of the biggest attractions of Trump was always "he's different", something that also applied to Bernie from the other end of the political spectrum. The Democrats wouldn't have picked up as many Republicans with Bernie, but I think a lot of what Bernie spoke about would have taken some of the disillusioned crowd that Trump attracted. Didn't Bernie get an ovation from a Fox Town Hall crowd during the primaries? When he put his ideas out there, people clearly liked them. The problem with Biden wanting to go back to "normal" is that "normal" is exactly what led so many voters to Trump, if the Democrats offered an actual alternative, they could have easily chipped away at his support, although 2020 may have been too late, I think 2016 would've been the prime time for Bernie to run. Edited November 10, 2020 by MessiWillSignForVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, AXD said: -You see this post as plagiarism -TheAuthority asks why you mention plagiarism, giving an example of plagiarism I assume it's referring to Biden. He plagiarised one of Neil Kinnock's speeches during his '88 election run. One of those weird things that Trump supporters cling to in the absence of actual criticisms. I don't think he's accusing anything on here as being plagiarised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I assume it's referring to Biden. He plagiarised one of Neil Kinnock's speeches during his '88 election run. One of those weird things that Trump supporters cling to in the absence of actual criticisms. I don't think he's accusing anything on here as being plagiarised. Still not quite sure how he got to that from my post about Trumps lawyers screwing up their filing and being publicly called out for being incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: Still not quite sure how he got to that from my post about Trumps lawyers screwing up their filing and being publicly called out for being incompetent. We're seeing the final straws being clutched at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The terrifying thing is that 70% of republicans think the election has been fixed. It's almost like a cult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: It's a cult. FTFY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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