Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted April 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Rooney voicing his opinion again. Oh poor footballers, firstly being used as guinea pigs now being picked on by the health secretary. Nobody will have sympathy for footballers. Join the real world. This problem has **** all to do with footballers. They aren't responsible for other peoples wages. They shouldn't be ashamed of what contract they've signed. The amount of people I've seen criticising them for not giving out money, or even when they do criticising that it's not enough. It's just stupid. I don't have sympathy for what they earn, but I certainly have sympathy for the way they're viewed for doing nothing wrong. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 It’s pretty incredible that the sport is drowning in cash, and will still see clubs go bust after only only a few weeks of downtime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, PaulC said: It shouldn’t have to be that way. The high earners shoujd take the brunt No, I don't think I agree at all. It shouldn't be about ministers making decisions about who morally deserves their salary and who doesn't, particularly when this moral calculus has never been agreed previously. Businesses of all kinds need to be secured from going under due to coronavirus, and that should include all businesses, rather than a distracting and pointless debate about who really deserves it. If we want to get money back from footballers later, fine, I'm all in favour of a wealth tax and a higher top rate of income tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Genie said: It’s pretty incredible that the sport is drowning in cash, and will still see clubs go bust after only only a few weeks of downtime. I don't think it's surprising at all to be honest, any more than it is surprising that airlines, travel agents, hotels, restaurants, nightclubs or cinemas are struggling. Businesses are not designed to survive months of literally no incomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I just think it's surprising how Rooney thinks his opinion is relevant in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: This problem has **** all to do with footballers. They aren't responsible for other peoples wages. They shouldn't be ashamed of what contract they've signed. The amount of people I've seen criticising them for not giving out money, or even when they do criticising that it's not enough. It's just stupid. I don't have sympathy for what they earn, but I certainly have sympathy for the way they're viewed for doing nothing wrong. Stupid or not it’s how I feel. They didn’t create the problem but they alienating themselves even further from the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: Stupid or not it’s how I feel. They didn’t create the problem but they alienating themselves even further from the real world. Or maybe, just maybe, it's the responsibility of the clubs to pay the staffs wages. You know, like they were the rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Genie said: It’s pretty incredible that the sport is drowning in cash, and will still see clubs go bust after only only a few weeks of downtime. Same for a lot of big businesses though. Lots of assets, but cash poor. They should probably have bought less avocado toast and started an emergency fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, PaulC said: Stupid or not it’s how I feel. They didn’t create the problem but they alienating themselves even further from the real world. That's the thing though, they haven't alienated themselves from the world enough, they and their wealth is very visible which is why people resent it There are far wealthier people out of the public eye who are in a better position to give back but no one is hounding them Like I said before footballers are a small percentage representation of the wealth in this country, there are a lot of millionaires out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Kyle Walker keeping himself busy during lockdown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Xela said: Kyle Walker keeping himself busy during lockdown... He was just doing his one bit of exercise a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't think it's surprising at all to be honest, any more than it is surprising that airlines, travel agents, hotels, restaurants, nightclubs or cinemas are struggling. Businesses are not designed to survive months of literally no incomings. True, but so far we have experienced what, 3 weeks? We aren't talking about months just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mic09 said: True, but so far we have experienced what, 3 weeks? We aren't talking about months just yet. Well, no clubs have gone bust yet. But they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: That's the thing though, they haven't alienated themselves from the world enough, they and their wealth is very visible which is why people resent it There are far wealthier people out of the public eye who are in a better position to give back but no one is hounding them Like I said before footballers are a small percentage representation of the wealth in this country, there are a lot of millionaires out there True its football though. We'd all love to make money by playing football or not!!!. Right now they are getting massive amounts of money for doing nothing. If the season is made void how can anyone not be angry if they have still been paid. Edited April 5, 2020 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Xela said: Kyle Walker keeping himself busy during lockdown... https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11329263/kyle-walker-sex-party-hookers-coronavirus-lockdown/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586041793 Quote FOOTBALLER Kyle Walker ignored the virus lockdown by hosting a sex party with a pal and two call girls at his flat. One of the escorts said the Manchester City and England ace invited them for a three-hour sex session — a day before he urged supporters to follow advice to stay home to help the NHS. Kyle Walker partied with escort Louise McNamara, 21, and a 24-year-old Brazilian call girl after he and a male pal invited them to his £8,000-a-month apartment in Hale, Cheshire Walker, who issued a grovelling apology last night, now faces a potential huge fine from club bosses for ignoring health and social distancing guidelines. The defender split from his long-term girlfriend Annie Kilner earlier this year after we revealed he had got model Lauryn Goodman pregnant. A source said: “Kyle has hit rock bottom with his behaviour and his manager will be furious, and rightly so.” Escort Louise said she arrived by taxi at around 10.30pm on Tuesday, the night before Walker issued his plea for everyone to stay at home Walker partied with escort Louise McNamara, 21, and a 24-year-old Brazilian call girl after he and a male pal invited them to his £8,000-a-month rented luxury apartment in Hale, Cheshire. Louise said she arrived by taxi at around 10.30pm on Tuesday, the night before Walker issued his plea in an interview for everyone to stay at home. The single mum says the player, who she took snaps of stripped to his undies, said his name was “Kai”. Louise, who is studying criminology at Manchester Metropolitan University, said: “I work with an agency in Manchester. I got a message from my boss saying a high-profile client was looking for somebody classy. “I got a cab from Manchester to the address and a driver picked me up outside and took me to the gates of his apartment. “Then his friend came out and met me. “There was another girl in the car too.” Walker tried to keep his identity secret but after the girls went for a cigarette on the balcony, the other told Louise “Kai” was a “soccer player”. Louise said: “I didn’t know who he was at the time. “But I took a few photos of him.” Kyle Walker is pictured in his underwear during the party with hookers at his flatCredit: Louise McNamara The men agreed to pay the girls £2,200 in cash before moving through to the bedroom, where Walker, 29, pulled out some gold-coloured Shine condoms. Louise and the other girl left the apartment at around 2am on Wednesday. Later that day, Walker told fans in an interview: “Stay indoors, keep washing your hands, keep following the protocols and just protect the NHS. “It’s been tough, but first and foremost, we have to think about other people’s health and protecting the elderly and family members that can spread it.” In another snap, Walker was seen counting out a large amount of cash for the girlsCredit: Louise McNamara Days earlier, he posted a video message on Instagram for his 1.7million followers in which he encouraged fans to abide by the advice. He put out similar Twitter messages. Louise added: “Kyle really should know better. “On the one hand he’s inviting strangers round to his house for sex, and the next day he’s lecturing everyone on the need to stay safe. “He’s a hypocrite and putting people at risk.” His behaviour is also likely to infuriate England manager Gareth Southgate. Louise, who is studying criminology at Manchester Metropolitan University, said: 'I got a message from my boss saying a high-profile client was looking for somebody classy' In a statement last night, Walker said: “I want to take this opportunity to issue a public apology for the choices I made last week. “I understand that my position as a professional footballer brings the responsibility of being a role model. “As such, I want to apologise to my family, friends, football club, supporters and the public for letting them down. “There are heroes out there making a vital difference to society at the moment, and I have been keen to help support and highlight their amazing sacrifices and life-saving work over the past week. My actions are in direct contrast to what I should have been doing regarding the lockdown.” Manchester City also later issued a statement which said: “We are disappointed to hear the allegations, note Kyle’s swift statement and apology, and will be conducting an internal disciplinary procedure in the coming days.” Single mum Louise says the player, who she took snaps of stripped to his undies, said his name was 'Kai' Walker, who issued a grovelling apology last night, faces a huge fine from club bosses for ignoring social distancing guidelinesCredit: Rex Features KYLE Walker is not the first Premier League star to get in trouble during the Covid-19 lockdown.Aston Villa captain Jack Grealish admitted going to a teammate’s flat hours after urging fans: “Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives.”His Range Rover crashed into two cars last Sunday, pictured.Grealish, 24, was fined two weeks’ wages by Villa which went to a Birmingham charity. Everton striker Oumar Niasse, 29, was labelled “embarrassing” by cops who stopped his car with a pal and two girls inside in Manchester.It came days after Boris Johnson said non-essential travel must stop.Last month Chelsea midfielder Mason Mount, 21, had a kickabout with pal Declan Rice after teammate Callum Hudson-Odoi was diagnosed with coronavirus.He was reminded of his responsibilities after ignoring orders to self-isolate for 14 days.Spurs midfielder Dele Alli, 23, was charged by the FA with misconduct in February after posting a video in which he wore a mask and appeared to mock an Asian man at an airport. Edited April 5, 2020 by Villan4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Villan4Life said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11329263/kyle-walker-sex-party-hookers-coronavirus-lockdown/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586041793 I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8189255/Premier-League-captains-set-WhatsApp-group-battle-proposals-force-players-wage-cuts.html Quote Captains of all 20 Premier League clubs have set up a WhatsApp group to come together to battle against plans to force top-flight stars into significant wage cuts, according to reports. Players are said to be furious over the proposals to force them into accepting a proposed 30 per cent reduction in wages after the Premier League met the Professional Footballers' Association on Saturday. But their revolt appears to have gone up in scale with the Daily Mirror claiming the 20 captains have now banded together to not break rank and reject the plans, which one skipper is believed to have branded 'disgusting'. When an employee is placed on furlough they are temporarily put on a leave of absence and not paid, although they remain on the payroll, meaning that they do not lose their job. This could be because there is no work for these employees, or that the company is not able to afford to pay them, because of the effects of the coronavirus crisis. In the United Kingdom, the Government is offering to pay 80 per cent of a furloughed employee's wages, up to £2,500 per month, until they are able to resume their job full time. The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme will last for at least three months from March 1. The report claims the players are committed to making considerable financial sacrifices, but insist their money go to charities as opposed to heading straight back to affluent club owners. But it also claims the main sticking point remains the general approach, because different clubs are going directly to players and trying to bully them into signing renegotiated contracts. The captains were informed of the scale of the financial crisis during a video conference call on Saturday from Premier League executive Bill Bush, Professional Footballers' Association chief Gordon Taylor, managers and club chief executives. They were told that clubs are set to lose £1.137 billion over the coronavirus crisis, as talks over wage cuts failed to reach an agreement. The call included a presentation from the Premier League to captains and coaches which explained why clubs want their players to accept a reduction in their pay. The extraordinary conference call finished with no resolution on wage cuts for players, though a PFA statement said they are happy to continue talks - though have concerns whether a 30 per cent salary deduction would be detrimental to the NHS. However, there is believed to be genuine anger among the captains that they are being portrayed as the villains while working privately to set up their own charity foundation. Their frustration also reportedly stems from the fact that big clubs such as Tottenham and Liverpool have put non-playing staff on the government's furlough scheme. Five top-flight clubs have opted to furlough a proportion of their staff, with leaders Liverpool the latest and heavily criticised for taking advantage of the government’s job retention scheme. Despite the actions from those clubs, Manchester City became the first club to confirm a commitment to paying its entire non-playing staff in full during the pandemic. Each club will now put forward their own proposals to players but up to a maximum of 30 per cent. However, the captains are due to discuss the proposals again on Monday, and should they reject them as expected, it would leave the Premier League in tatters with uncertainty over the impact of the coronavirus growing by the day. The news comes on the same day as former England captain Wayne Rooney blasted Matt Hancock after the health secretary said Premier League stars should take a pay cut amid the COVID-19 crisis. 'How the past few days have played out is a disgrace,' Rooney said in his Sunday Times column. 'First the health secretary, Matt Hancock, in his daily update on coronavirus, said that Premier League players should take a pay cut. 'He was supposed to be giving the nation the latest on the biggest crisis we've faced in our lifetimes. 'Why was the pay of footballers even in his head? Was he desperate to divert attention from his government's handling of this pandemic?' While they have faced questions in recent days, Premier League players are understood to be joining together to make a multi-million pound donation to the NHS. A fund is being put together and organised by Liverpool captain Jordan Henderson, who has been working with the other 19 skippers in the top flight to pool the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: No, I don't think I agree at all. It shouldn't be about ministers making decisions about who morally deserves their salary and who doesn't, particularly when this moral calculus has never been agreed previously. Businesses of all kinds need to be secured from going under due to coronavirus, and that should include all businesses, rather than a distracting and pointless debate about who really deserves it. If we want to get money back from footballers later, fine, I'm all in favour of a wealth tax and a higher top rate of income tax. Indeed, rather than a 30% pay cut, a 30% increase in the highest rate of tax for the next 6 months or so would be more useful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 That daily mail article is a horrible piece of "journalism" Their sourslce is the daily mirror ffs and 80% of it is padding using related stories (and an explanation of furloughing just to get the word count up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulC said: True its football though. We'd all love to make money by playing football or not!!!. Right now they are getting massive amounts of money for doing nothing. If the season is made void how can anyone not be angry if they have still been paid. Other than being against contractual law... Eastenders isn't currently being filmed, wheres the front page story about Ian beales pay cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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