Generic Virus Thread

[Wainy316]

18 minutes ago, terrytini said:

That awful awful man has absolutely no sense of shame or decency.

The suffering of Americans has barely merited a mention in a Press Conference which has been exclusively about how fantastic he is.

Sickening. And I’m afraid I’m also sickened that anyone can support him. 

Well most of them are thick as pig shit so they’re a lost cause anyway.

Surely he’s not going to hold onto the swing voters now?

[mjmooney]

Our granddaughter wrote a letter to her reception class teacher. My transcription: 

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dear mis holroyd

thank yoo for Being our luvly teacher

I mis yoo and I want to come back to class 

my mum and DaD are looking after mi 

luv from Bonnie 

x 

 

[terrytini]

6 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

Well most of them are thick as pig shit so they’re a lost cause anyway.

Surely he’s not going to hold onto the swing voters now?

Im not sure of anything any more. But that exercise in narcissism and self aggrandisement should’ve turned the stomach of all decent people. ( even those who think what he said was true).

[chrisp65]

6 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

Well most of them are thick as pig shit so they’re a lost cause anyway.

Surely he’s not going to hold onto the swing voters now?

You’d think so.

But what if the alternative was a rich out of touch old guy that sometimes talks rubbish and might be showing signs of losing his mental agility?

Woman on Newsnight tonight, she works at gun shows, disagrees with Trump, but loves him. How do you combat that shit?

[terrytini]

8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Lewis Goodall has been one of the few voices in the media focusing on the terrible situation in care homes. Here's an extract of his wider stuff tonight from Newsnight that I would encourage people to watch:

Here's a Twitter thread where he lays out some of the dynamics at play in what is becoming an increasing crisis in the care sector that could see parts of it collapse in the near future. It's long-ish, but it's worth reading:

 

Thanks id not seen the interview.

Sadly I’ve no doubt whatsoever it is actually significantly worse than even he is finding out.

I have direct knowledge of a Care Home using unscreened, untested, agency staff drafted in from domiciliary care ( but still doing that aswell). No assessment whatsoever is carried out on these workers, where they’ve been, how many domestic premises they visit, what precautions they take. When visiting in the Community they have no PPE. Theses same careers are aware of what they think are Co-vid related deaths amongst their clientele - but the lack of Post Mortem mean there is no record in some cases, and even where there is a PM the Carers are not necessarily informed of Cause of Death.....they only hear on the grapevine.

The possibility of transmission back and forth is clear.

Within the homes, protection is rudimentary. It’s always been clear social distancing is impossible with many residents, especially where there is dementia and other diseases......so PPE and Testing are absolutely critical. Testing is so rare as to be virtually non existent. 

Residents who get hospital treatment - for whatever reason - return to the home without being tested.

I know of Care Workers in my own general locality who have contracted the virus, and who have lost family members.  One has lost three family members.

I am as convinced as I’ve ever been of anything that the situation with cate Home deaths and deaths in the community is catastrophic.

(* and as for illnesses ........)

[terrytini]

It’s also worth bearing in mind that Residential and nursing homes have no legal responsibility to notify the council (*) about deaths of their residents, although some do - and there are cases when they are also not able to confirm if a death is Corona virus related.

( * they have to notify CQC...who don’t have to tell the Council.)

 

[LondonLax]

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Our granddaughter wrote a letter to her reception class teacher. My transcription: 

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dear mis holroyd

thank yoo for Being our luvly teacher

I mis yoo and I want to come back to class 

my mum and DaD are looking after mi 

luv from Bonnie 

x 

 

Millennials and their spelling eh?

Edited April 28, 2020 by LondonLax

[StefanAVFC]

flu.

[snowychap]

And the page for the figures for the week ending 17th April is here:

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• The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 17 April 2020 (Week 16) was 22,351; this represents an increase of 3,835 deaths registered compared with the previous week (Week 15) and 11,854 more than the five-year average; this is the highest weekly total recorded since comparable figures begin in 1993.

• Of the deaths registered in Week 16, 8,758 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, which is 39.2% of all deaths; this compares with 6,213 (33.6% of all deaths) in Week 15.

 

[markavfc40]

The ONS figures are shocking.

The hospital deaths figure from coronavirus for 17th April 2020 was 14796. The ONS figures state that a further 4316 coronavirus deaths had occurred outside hospitals in England and Wales. That takes the number of deaths from coronavirus to 19112 as of 17th April 2020 which would put us around 2k deaths higher than any other European country and second only to USA on global death comparisons as of the 17th April.

Remember these figures don't include deaths outside hospitals in Scotland which are released tomorrow.

Edited April 28, 2020 by markavfc40

[Stevo985]

18 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

flu.

But they would have died anyway 

[snowychap]

A couple of interesting threads (one from last week and one from this week) and there's a link to his blog in there for more info:

First -

Second (updated) -

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[VILLAMARV]

10 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Here's a Twitter thread where he lays out some of the dynamics at play in what is becoming an increasing crisis in the care sector that could see parts of it collapse in the near future. It's long-ish, but it's worth reading:

 

There are very few threads that I would suggest people read every single reply on. Next time my 90something year old relative and I have a conversation about care provision perhaps I might steer her in this direction. She still gets the mirror every day and is a proper old school socialist to the core, relocated during the war and simply one of my favourite people on this planet. She has told me many times how when it comes to it 'the nhs' can have her house because "we just can't pay for it all these days" 

She does not understand. I hope I see her again. 

[chrisp65]

So, a comparative success?

[snowychap]

11 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Lewis Goodall has been one of the few voices in the media focusing on the terrible situation in care homes.

I know I've made what might be, on the face of them, facetious remarks to Logan's Run earlier in this thread but it I still genuinely believe that there will be a push towards some kind of political discussion of a really dystopic approach to social care and late life* health care provision in the (now near) future.

The issues with care homes and local authority funding for them (and for care at home, too) were the things I was expecting to build over time to bring this to a head but it would appear that this particular health crisis has accelerated that. It also seems to have laid the groundwork, within any political discussion, for an increased prevalence, even if not immediately a massively increased acceptability, of talking about how expendable some people's lives are for the benefit of others.

 

Edit: It might not even be limited ot late life health provision.

Edited April 28, 2020 by snowychap

[chrisp65]

I have been quite surprised by how many people would shrug and offer up the last 8 years of other people’s lives to be able to ‘get back to normal’.

Normal being sitting in traffic, working in an office, grabbing a costa coffee, shuffling around Primark of a weekend.

I’d want something a bit more inspirational than that to kiss goodbye to a quarter of a million people.

[fightoffyour]

1 minute ago, chrisp65 said:

I have been quite surprised by how many people would shrug and offer up the last 8 years of other people’s lives to be able to ‘get back to normal’.

Normal being sitting in traffic, working in an office, grabbing a costa coffee, shuffling around Primark of a weekend.

I’d want something a bit more inspirational than that to kiss goodbye to a quarter of a million people.

Post of the Pandemic

[Wainy316]

10 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I have been quite surprised by how many people would shrug and offer up the last 8 years of other people’s lives to be able to ‘get back to normal’.

Normal being sitting in traffic, working in an office, grabbing a costa coffee, shuffling around Primark of a weekend.

I’d want something a bit more inspirational than that to kiss goodbye to a quarter of a million people.

Exactly.  Even from a purely selfish perspective I actually prefer life at the moment over the monotony of the 9-5.  I’d quite like to see my family and go the pub etc but all the stuff you listed which makes up the majority of many people’s waking life can get to ****.

[StefanAVFC]

On a bright, purely selfish note.

We can play football from Monday again  

I'm booked in for 5 a side on Monday already. It's been too long. 

[chrisp65]

4 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

Exactly.  Even from a purely selfish perspective I actually prefer life at the moment over the monotony of the 9-5.  I’d quite like to see my family and go the pub etc but all the stuff you listed which makes up the majority of many people’s waking life can get to ****.

I have calculated that in the last month I have not spent 40 hours sat in the car, tutting at the **** idiot in front that can’t drive.

40 hours I was actually working, or reading a book or cooking bolognese. I’m adjusting to the pay cut so I can return to work with a proposition for them...