TRO Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, osmark86 said: I do too and I want Mings to be a little less risky in defense because he's been in similar situations before where we couldn't make the case for offside like against citeh. However, the Rodri Mings situation I blame squarily on the referees. I think improving our ability to dispossess and not get dispossessed is defo something to work on. Mings is not great on the ball, but he thinks he is......He is a bit gangly, but his height is a major advantage....but for some reason, he seems reluctant to use it as much as he should. If he took a leaf out of Laursens book, he would be scoring more goals at set pieces. i.e corners. However, I do worry, when he tries to emulate Beckenbaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 There is no rule to be changed, or even clarify. This rule about receiving the ball from a defender, whilst being stood in an offside position. So a poor backpass, or poor header back. What they may do is add in a new rule that makes either Rodri onside or offside (depending which way they want to go) but by the current rules, Rodri was offside. They've conned everyone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: Agree. Also, think we need to be more clinical in front of goal and take those chances when they come. Yeah, if we'd finished only a handful more of the chances we've made, we'd likely be top of the league. Some really bad misses/fluffed lines, too, not just your "could've done a bit better with that"s. Just missing that little bit of extra calmness and quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Michelsen said: Totally. It’s akin to the brainwashed masses of a totalitarian society, where critical thinking has long since been wiped out. My mind is just failing to understand this total acceptance of a reinventing of the offside rule that has no precedent and would change the game of football if it is followed. It’s completely bonkers. I get that non-Villa fans won’t be as emotionally invested in this as I am, but why aren’t people thinking over what this rule interpratation really means for the game of football? I think they call it the United Kingdom. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 One game ban won't mean much, he spends most of the games at VP halfway up the stand anyway... it will be interesting to see if a similar incident happens again and what decision is given, Juve v Napoli I think was the game was given offside. So deffo a "made up for sky 4" rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 One thing I've noticed is from opposition corners we don't leave anyone upfield. I'm curious as to why that would be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: *The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used This is the part they are using to justify it being onside. It’s a complete and utter farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: This is the part they are using to justify it being onside. It’s a complete and utter farce. It's also irrelevant because this is talking about the first touch by the teammate, not the defender. Farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: My Liverpool supporting son-in-law was furious after the Manure debacle, but he was proper apoplectic after the City game. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. So he bloody well should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: There is no rule to be changed, or even clarify. This rule about receiving the ball from a defender, whilst being stood in an offside position. So a poor backpass, or poor header back. What they may do is add in a new rule that makes either Rodri onside or offside (depending which way they want to go) but by the current rules, Rodri was offside. They've conned everyone. It's certainly how I read that ruling, but it is pretty vague - let's be honest. I'm amazed that referees actually interpret it that way, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, bobzy said: It's certainly how I read that ruling, but it is pretty vague - let's be honest. I'm amazed that referees actually interpret it that way, though. It's certainly what the rule is supposed to be. But now PGMOL have said that it also means an offside player tackling a defender, we'll see if they stop their linos flagging for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's certainly what the rule is supposed to be. But now PGMOL have said that it also means an offside player tackling a defender, we'll see if they stop their linos flagging for it. I don't know if it is, necessarily. So, for example, how long is Mings able to hold onto that ball before the offside is actually reset? Can he keep the ball indefinitely and Rodri isn't allowed to challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, bobzy said: I don't know if it is, necessarily. So, for example, how long is Mings able to hold onto that ball before the offside is actually reset? Can he keep the ball indefinitely and Rodri isn't allowed to challenge? It's my understanding that for Rodri to challenge, he needs to get himself reset and back onside. He never does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's also irrelevant because this is talking about the first touch by the teammate, not the defender. Farce. Oh yeh, I didn’t read it properly. Yeh there’s no rule to change. They just messed up and are trying to justify. Shame to see so many pundits falling for it too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: I don't know if it is, necessarily. So, for example, how long is Mings able to hold onto that ball before the offside is actually reset? Can he keep the ball indefinitely and Rodri isn't allowed to challenge? I would also add that offsides should pass the eye test either way, the same as the drawing of the lines. If it looks wrong, it probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's my understanding that for Rodri to challenge, he needs to get himself reset and back onside. He never does this. Well, you could argue that he does. Mings chests it and it then bounces off his foot at roughly the same time that Rodri challenges him from an onside position (from memory). For me, the issue is with receiving the ball. But a lot of people have read this rule and agreed that the goal shouldn't stand so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just watching the pre-match press conference, someone asked Dean if he regrets what he said to the fourth official (juggling balls). Smith said he didn’t, you can just see the hint of little smirk on his face. Good lad Deano! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bobzy said: Well, you could argue that he does. Mings chests it and it then bounces off his foot at roughly the same time that Rodri challenges him from an onside position (from memory). hmmmmm debatable! He's behind him as he chests it and the second touch he's already tackling him from behind. I think the crux of the matter here is, that get flagged 100 times out of 100 and nobody bats an eyelid. It doesn't get flagged on one occasion (I've never seen it) and causes a tonne of controversy, yet apparently that's the normal and the rule and everyone is stupid for not knowing it. Add to that, the eye test (it looks offside) and it doesn't add up in the slightest. I think if this was the first occasion we've had of the PGMOL being blatantly opaque and dishonest then there would be less anger. Unfortunately it isn't. Edited January 22, 2021 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Peter Walton’s comments straight after the goal were honest and spot on. He then obviously must have got a phone call and had to massively back track after the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 22, 2021 £8,000 fine and a one game touchline ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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