IrishVilla10 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 49 minutes ago, duke313 said: Yet Harry Kane is lauded as England's greatest ever goal scorer when he scores 4 against San Marino My god 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Because Buendia, Coutinho, Ramsey, Traore and probably Bailey are all better AMs than him. Well, yes, but if we must insist on starting him, why not play to his strengths and use him as a more attacking midfielder instead of a deeper-lying one? Otherwise, don't play him at all. Edited September 22, 2022 by His Name Is Death 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, His Name Is Death said: Well, yes, but if we must insist on starting him, why not play to his strengths and use him as a more attacking midfielder instead of a deeper-lying one? It's just moving the problem though. He should be dropped full stop, because whether he's played as a CM or an AM, we have much better options in both positions. People are letting his record for Scotland deceive them, without taking into account the opposition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, Risso said: You're missing the point spectacularly. Kane is a brilliant player for both Spurs and England, and scores goals whoever he is up against. Of course he fills his boots against the weaker teams, but you don't need to make excuses for his form at club level by pointing to his international record, because he's consistently great for both club and country. People are making excuses for McGinn by saying that his record for Scotlnad shows he's somehow being misused in the Premier League. The reality is he's had 4 years as a midfielder for Villa, but gets to score more playing for Scotland because just about all of the teams he's scored against have been absolute minnows. He is, he's playing as a second striker/advanced midfielder for Scotland and a midfielder who has to cover the full back for Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichiBoi11 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 McGinn's best postion probably is CAM/Second Striker in fariness. With a sensible manager though he'd still have a struggle to justify playing there if we played a formation to accomodate that though as realistically he should be behind Buendia, Coutinho and Ramsey in the pecking order. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tom13 said: It's just moving the problem though. He should be dropped full stop, because whether he's played as a CM or an AM, we have much better options in both positions. People are letting his record for Scotland deceive them, without taking into account the opposition. I agree. If there's no good reason for him to be used as a second striker/attacking midfielder, then he just shouldn't play. But the reality is that he's club captain and seems well-liked by the manager, so the club has got to find some workaround that accommodates his strengths. It's ridiculous to keep playing him in his current role. Edited September 22, 2022 by His Name Is Death 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Smith's favourite spot for McGinn was in a two in front of the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) Well done McGinn. A fine performance to further prove that you, and others, are being completely hung out to dry by our inept manager. Edited September 22, 2022 by AV82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 hours ago, His Name Is Death said: I agree. If there's no good reason for him to be used as a second striker/attacking midfielder, then he just shouldn't play. But the reality is that he's club captain and seems well-liked by the manager, so the club has got to find some workaround that accommodates his strengths. It's ridiculous to keep playing him in his current role. Imagine a crazy, colourful world where we never purchased Coutinho, actually had a plan, and for once smartly rotated our players. There would be plenty of time and space for our attacking midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Imagine a world where a Villa supporter doesn’t appreciate the artistry of a wizard like Coutinho and instead prefers the lumbering efforts of McGinn and his 60% pass completion rate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Risso said: Imagine a world where a Villa supporter doesn’t appreciate the artistry of a wizard like Coutinho and instead prefers the lumbering efforts of McGinn and his 60% pass completion rate. Both aren't great at moment. Maybe under a management team they could shine but woukd happily sell both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 At least he’s not in denial 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 21 hours ago, RichiBoi11 said: McGinn's best postion probably is CAM/Second Striker in fariness. With a sensible manager though he'd still have a struggle to justify playing there if we played a formation to accomodate that though as realistically he should be behind Buendia, Coutinho and Ramsey in the pecking order. Which is why he could come off the bench to play in that position. I think that SG just wants McGinn where he is now to break up play and be a nuisance. Seems not to care how bad it looks. It's not pretty and we don't like it but on occasion it may work. What a horrible situation though knowing that he bangs goals in for Scotland while we couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, birdman said: What a horrible situation though knowing that he bangs goals in for Scotland while we couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo. Goals for Scotland (14): San Marino (3) Austria (2) Faroe Islands (2) Kazakhstan (2) Armenia (1) Cyprus (1) Israel (1) Russia (1) Ukraine (1) Assists for Scotland (7): Armenia (2) Cyprus (2) Albania (1) Moldova (1) Poland (1) Could be why he's so 'great' for Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, birdman said: Which is why he could come off the bench to play in that position. I think that SG just wants McGinn where he is now to break up play and be a nuisance. Seems not to care how bad it looks. It's not pretty and we don't like it but on occasion it may work. What a horrible situation though knowing that he bangs goals in for Scotland while we couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo. I'd rather he did that outside the opposition box rather than ours. A front 3 of McGinn Watkins Buendia would be a pretty effective pressing unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, duke313 said: I'd rather he did that outside the opposition box rather than ours. A front 3 of McGinn Watkins Buendia would be a pretty effective pressing unit. A real lack of quality though with both McGinn and Ollie part of it. Would be one of the least technical (if not the least) front 3s in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, duke313 said: I'd rather he did that outside the opposition box rather than ours. A front 3 of McGinn Watkins Buendia would be a pretty effective pressing unit. I agree but SG clearly doesn't want him there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Goals for Scotland (14): San Marino (3) Austria (2) Faroe Islands (2) Kazakhstan (2) Armenia (1) Cyprus (1) Israel (1) Russia (1) Ukraine (1) Assists for Scotland (7): Armenia (2) Cyprus (2) Albania (1) Moldova (1) Poland (1) Could be why he's so 'great' for Scotland. Still think it shows what John can do in that position regardless of opposition. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 "Regardless of opposition". Jesus.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2022 9 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: At least he’s not in denial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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