AshVilla Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 14 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: It's funny coming into this thread, a sort of bizarre oasis where the problems discussed on the rest of the site seem incapable of penetrating. If people are wondering why we aren't going to be appointing Bielsa, let me put it very simply: WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY MONEY. But, let's delve a little deeper into the situation that Mr N Manager has to be prepared to enter, by looking at the timetable for the club for the rest of the summer: First, we have a meeting with Shaun Harvey of the EFL, who wants to see if we have a financial plan in place that would allow us to complete all 46 fixtures this season. He doesn't actually visit most clubs; this is a special honour! If he is unconvinced, as I understand it he has the power to push for our removal from the EFL, which would be the end of the club. Supposing we survive that meeting, we then have - within two weeks - a circa £4.5m tax bill, a circa £5m wage bill, plus whatever other monthly bills the club has to pay, despite seemingly having no cash on hand. If we manage to pay those bills, we have to survive for the rest of the summer. Even supposing we do that, we also have something approaching a £45m hole in our FFP situation - how many people had forgotten that? - so in reality, we are going to spend the summer accepting bids for any player we can flog. Consequently, Mr N Manager has to be prepared to start the season, in roughly eight weeks time, with a squad of first team rejects we couldn't flog, promising U23's, maybe a free transfer or two and whatever loans we can manage to wrangle (which are going to be less Robert Snodgrass, more Jake Clarke-Salter). There will be no transfer kitty. I assume that the reason we haven't sacked Bruce, despite Xia wanting to according to all media reports, is a desperate hope that Leeds will pay us some compo for him and his backroom team. We are not going to be replacing Bruce with a manager who wants more per year than Bruce did. I doubt Bielsa comes cheaply. We are not at Bielsa's level. We are not even close to Steve Bruce's level any more. We're more at Steve Evans' level. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cjay Posted June 13, 2018 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: We’ll have Smith. You take Bruce. Going from expecting BIelsa to Bruce. Thats the equivalent of spending weeks chatting up Emily Ratajkowski, you have a few dates, all going well, your expecting tonight's the night You've got everything prepared for the big night. Knock at the door . . HERE SHE IS!!!!!!! You open the door and there stands Ann Widdecombe, stockings and suspenders with a note saying "sorry i couldnt make it". Edited June 13, 2018 by Cjay 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Cjay said: Going from expecting BIelsa to Bruce. Thats the equivalent of spending weeks chatting up Emily Ratajkowski, you have a few dates, all going well, your expecting tonight's the night You've got everything prepared for the big night. Knock at the door . . HERE SHE IS!!!!!!! You open the door and there stands Ann Widdecombe, stockings and suspenders with a note saying "sorry i couldnt make it". Is that a no then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted June 13, 2018 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, av1 said: Is that a no then? Well suppose if you have had enough to drink and everything is planned you may as. . . . . Oh we are on about Bruce, yeah that's a no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Wait, you're telling me Bruce isn't a tactical genius? **** me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) On 10/06/2018 at 01:28, holteend1982 said: 60% win record at Argentina but failed to get out the group stages of the world cup which including losing to England. Won the Olympics but I don't think anyone cares about that as a tournament so not as remotely impressive as it sounds. With Chile lost to Spain beat Switzerland and Honduras to get out their group but then lost against Brazil 3-0 in round 16, again hardly impressive. Finished fourth with Marseille, nothing special. Walked out on them after losing his opening game the next season though. Not sure why you have a big obsession with him but he's walked out on a few clubs when things haven't gone his way, the last thing we would need is a manager who has the potential to just get up and leave when things don't go his way. Also if he was as good as you and pep guadiola keep making out he'd be in a job and not be going for job interviews with clubs like Leeds utd. He's very demanding and I think that goes against him as well as for him. Ancelotti was out of work up until recently, I'll assume you'd take him? Agree his tendency to leave when things don't go his way is concerning and not what Aston Villa need at this point in time. That said we don't know what transpired each time he decided to call it a day, his reasons could be noble for all we know or care. You choose not to mention the records he set with Chile or his two cup finals with Bilbao, beating United in both legs en route to lose to Atletico Madrid in the Europa League final, and Barcelona in the Copa Del Rey. His record at Argentina isn't even all that bad, one defining loss to an England team which featured some of the country's greats. He had a relatively easy run in the Copa Del Rey but overcame Schalke and Sporting as well as United in the Europa League. Better than MON could do for us. It's the stories I've read and the philosophy, tactics and attention to detail that make me think he's a great coach. He plays a pressing, attacking, possession based brand of football that is extremely demanding of his players tactically, physically, mentally and technically. You don't need to take my or Guardiola's word for it. There are a number of places you will find him labelled a genius. Guardiola says that titles aren't a factor when he addresses Bielsa as the best, and when you've been an influence to managers like Guardiola, Simeone and Pochettino you see that he has offered the game more than silverware. For me though it's the way he approaches the game. It's exactly what I'm looking for in a coach of any team sport. Adept in what has come before him and influential in his own brand that he has crafted. Not to mention he is obviously good with people too. It's easy to look at his nickname and club departures and assume he's a nut, but I can't imagine you've taken the time to look in to either, as if you had explored Bielsa you would find the reasons as to why I and many others praise him. You say he hasn't got a job, what manager have we had since Houllier that can boast the likes of Argentina, Chile, Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio and Lille? Not even MON competes with that. People want to mention money. Look at what Bruce spent. Bielsa brought in Bilbao's highest scoring striker for the last 6 years for a total sum of.. 2.5milliion. He averages 24 goals a season over that 6 years. His squad that took them to two cup finals consisted of 16 out of 29 players being either youth products, free transfers or deals under 300,000!! He had 7.5million to bring in Ander Herrera. They also finished 10th in La Liga with this squad. 16 out of 29 players for under 300k a pop. Two cup finals, 10th in La Liga. He also has the quality to coach and influence the likes of Pochettino, Alexis Sanchez, Medel, Vidal, Llorente (scored 29 goals under him), Javi Martinez (got a move to Bayern). You can see the qualities and philosophy of Bielsa's coaching in each of their games. Not to mention the way he treats the press and his philosophy regarding youth: "Bielsa likes to systematise the game. He says that there are 29 distinct formations in football and believes that every young player should be given the opportunity to experience each of them. [45] Fernando Llorente, who played under Bielsa at Athletic Bilbao, said of his former coach, "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius."[46] Former Argentina National Team Striker Gabriel Batistuta proclaimed about Bielsa 'he was the one who taught me how to train on rainy days, he taught me everything[47] Manchester City player Benjamin Mendy cited for his improvement under Bielsa at Marseille, Mendy claimed Bielsa had "given back to him the strength and aggressiveness lost last year."[48][49] His teammate Aymeric Laporte who was given his debut by Bielsa at Athletic Bilbao, described him as a 'mentor' figure.[50] As Bielsa refuses to grant exclusive interviews, the press conference has become his preferred method of communication. He has been known to field every last question from the assembled media during these gatherings. If the talk turns to the intricacies of the game, a three- or even four-hour press conference is possible. According to him, "Every media should get the same attention from me, from the biggest TV station to the smallest newspaper." I'm just getting started, but I'm going to leave it there for now. What you should really be interested in though is analysis of his formations, tactics and philosophy. That is where he has made a name for himself and where he has gone on to influence the likes mentioned above. I can post some videos if anyone is interested. All that aside, aren't we looking for someone a who's going to demand a lot from the group we have, and with some of Bielsa's philosophies I might even suggest someone who will embrace the sort of challenges that face us as a club. Bielsa or Bruce? I'm more amazed that Bielsa has put himself in the discussion than I am that someone would suggest Bruce is the superior choice. 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A'Villan Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) This for me deserves a post of it's own. Quote His squad that took them to two cup finals consisted of 16 out of 29 players being either youth products, free transfers or deals under 300,000!! He had 7.5million to bring in Ander Herrera. They also finished 10th in La Liga with this squad. 16 out of 29 players for under 300k a pop. Two cup finals, 10th in La Liga. Where has Bruce done anything close to this? Championship or not, does Bielsa still seem like someone you would pass on given the opportunity? Edited June 14, 2018 by A'Villan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Well, we'll get to see the two go head-to-head next season. Bielsa appointed Leeds boss. What a coup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Bold move by Leeds. Think it'll end badly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 15, 2018 Leeds owner is doing a Wolves, he said as much after all that shenanigans was investigated and no wrong doing found - expect a load of foreign talent to turn up and be paid £20k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 14/06/2018 at 11:35, A'Villan said: Championship or not, does Bielsa still seem like someone you would pass on given the opportunity? Yes, he's a walking disaster. Have people not been paying attention for the last 3 seasons? The upshot for us is if we do manage to sell off enough players to clear debts and give us something resembling a pot to piss in, as soon as Bielsa's walked in and alienated half the Leeds squad, we can maybe try and pick up some of the more useful players on the cheapy-cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, GarethRDR said: Yes, he's a walking disaster. Have people not been paying attention for the last 3 seasons? The upshot for us is if we do manage to sell off enough players to clear debts and give us something resembling a pot to piss in, as soon as Bielsa's walked in and alienated half the Leeds squad, we can maybe try and pick up some of the more useful players on the cheapy-cheap. Or try and swap them for McCormack if we don't have a pot to piss in by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Should we dispense with Bruce can anybody see anything other than Steve Agnew or Mick Mccarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 On 15/06/2018 at 08:26, sexbelowsound said: Bold move by Leeds. Think it'll end badly though. You mean like, failing to get promoted and then pretty much going bankrupt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) Can’t see any manager wanting to come to Villa at present. Wonder how Luke Organ is on managing a squad? Edited July 4, 2018 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 4, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 4, 2018 There are meetings this week for Bruce with whoever is pretending to be in charge. I can see him walking in a few days time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: There are meetings this week for Bruce with whoever is pretending to be in charge. I can see him walking in a few days time. Fingers crossed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighavfc Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: There are meetings this week for Bruce with whoever is pretending to be in charge. I can see him walking in a few days time. I thought this earlier when i read about the meetings, there is no real reason for him to stay at the minute. Allegedly no money, better players look likely to be sold, Round and Wyness going. What next he is probably asking himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: There are meetings this week for Bruce with whoever is pretending to be in charge. I can see him walking in a few days time. Maybe some good news coming out of the club for a change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: There are meetings this week for Bruce with whoever is pretending to be in charge. I can see him walking in a few days time. 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: Fingers crossed 1 hour ago, AshVilla said: Maybe some good news coming out of the club for a change. Yes, it would be fantastic. Owner gone missing, no money, no CEO, no Director of Football, and now no manager . I really can’t recall a time when there has been better news. (FWIW I’m assuming Bruce will resign as soon as he gets the chance, citing chaos at the club.) Edited July 4, 2018 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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