trekka Posted September 1, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2017 The Maltese (part time?) players tiring in the second half does not make this "performance" or score anything to shout about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, trekka said: The Maltese (part time?) players tiring in the second half does not make this "performance" or score anything to shout about. They had an Ebbsfleet player in their starting 11. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Who'd have thought it, 2 holding midfields and 1 up top against Malta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, trekka said: The Maltese (part time?) players tiring in the second half does not make this "performance" or score anything to shout about. Yeah, let us not kid ourselves. That was horrendous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifamad Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 4-0 seriously flatters us. Dreadful display. 2 holding midfielders and 1 upfront against Malta is a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 1, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2017 Didn't realize this was on and did not watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 whats the biggest issue with the english national team? i though by and large it was kind of popular opinion they consider international football to play second fiddle to their massive PL wages and appearance bonuses etc or that a fair few of the players dont actually enjoy playing for england and dont want to be there so why the **** do you name your probably (scarily) strongest team away to malta? its 3 weeks in to the new season, there were some proper sunday league tackles going in (to be fair to them the pitch looked ok) call up abraham, call up gray, call up holgate, might not be good enough right now to be in the WC picture but they should be good enough to play their bollocks off vs malta and win the game, but again they'll but a big emphasis on the U21s qualifying for the next tournament but then not actually take the strongest team to that the whole things just a big boring turn off of a mess, i honestly dont know how people still follow it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 9 hours ago, villa4europe said: whats the biggest issue with the english national team? i though by and large it was kind of popular opinion they consider international football to play second fiddle to their massive PL wages and appearance bonuses etc or that a fair few of the players dont actually enjoy playing for england and dont want to be there so why the **** do you name your probably (scarily) strongest team away to malta? its 3 weeks in to the new season, there were some proper sunday league tackles going in (to be fair to them the pitch looked ok) call up abraham, call up gray, call up holgate, might not be good enough right now to be in the WC picture but they should be good enough to play their bollocks off vs malta and win the game, but again they'll but a big emphasis on the U21s qualifying for the next tournament but then not actually take the strongest team to that the whole things just a big boring turn off of a mess, i honestly dont know how people still follow it all Might not be getting this but are you saying that Southgate shouldn't pick his strongest team in order to protect players for Premier League? Or are you saying that these players don't actually give much of a shit so others should be selected instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 12 hours ago, fifamad said: 4-0 seriously flatters us. Dreadful display. 2 holding midfielders and 1 upfront against Malta is a joke. Yes 3 goals in the last 5 minutes against tiring opposition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Might not be getting this but are you saying that Southgate shouldn't pick his strongest team in order to protect players for Premier League? Or are you saying that these players don't actually give much of a shit so others should be selected instead? I'm saying they don't give a shit and we shouldn't need them to beat Malta, I think some of the players play at 70% to protect themselves for the PL and it just makes for turgid horrible games coule understand it if southgate named his strongest team and tried a formation we'd never seen before but that wasn't what last night was either games like Malta should be treated in the same way as club football pre season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I'm saying they don't give a shit and we shouldn't need them to beat Malta, I think some of the players play at 70% to protect themselves for the PL and it just makes for turgid horrible games coule understand it if southgate named his strongest team and tried a formation we'd never seen before but that wasn't what last night was either games like Malta should be treated in the same way as club football pre season But then as we have seen, the 'top boys' do not deliver when it matters anyway (i.e. at the tournaments), given that qualifying groups are easy to get through in this day and age, it begs the questions as to whether it's time to select the squad based on a combination of club form, consistency at international level but importantly, character, rather than simply persisting with those who do not deliver. What I would say is that from Southgate's perspective it totally makes sense to pick his strongest line up for games like Malta, as for him he doesn't get enough time to work with these players, so he'd see games like this as crucial for just that. Having a second tier side for lesser games just makes things too disjointed. Edited September 2, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: But then as we have seen, the 'top boys' do not deliver when it matters anyway (i.e. at the tournaments), given that qualifying groups are easy to get through in this day and age, it begs the questions as to whether it's time to select the squad based on a combination of club form, consistency at international level but importantly, character, rather than simply persisting with those who do not deliver. What I would say is that from Southgate's perspective it totally makes sense to pick his strongest line up for games like Malta, as for him he doesn't get enough time to work with these players, so he'd see games like this as crucial for just that. Having a second tier side for lesser games just makes things too disjointed. The problem is, when he does that (eg. with Jake Livermore) people react with affronted scorn. The truth is, most English football fans treat everything to do with the national team with a mixture of boredom and contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 As someone who watched us win the World Cup in 66 albeit on television and has seen good England teams since in 1970 & 1990 as well as at Euro 1996 I still think how the national team performs is important. I have now accepted that our team is not good enough or committed enough to win anything anything other than a qualification group but I don't like accepting that. I'm doubtful that we will beat Slovakia next week and that might even place our qualification for the next World Cup Finals in serious doubt. I don't think that Southgate was the right man for the job in the same way that I didn't think Greenwood or Hodgson were but they were unlikely to potentially cause problems for the FA as the likes of Clough, El Tel (if they had kept him on after 96) and Harry had the potential to do. They were equally unlikely to win anything as England manager but the FA are less concerned about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 10 hours ago, John said: As someone who watched us win the World Cup in 66 albeit on television and has seen good England teams since in 1970 & 1990 as well as at Euro 1996 I still think how the national team performs is important. I have now accepted that our team is not good enough or committed enough to win anything anything other than a qualification group but I don't like accepting that. I'm doubtful that we will beat Slovakia next week and that might even place our qualification for the next World Cup Finals in serious doubt. I don't think that Southgate was the right man for the job in the same way that I didn't think Greenwood or Hodgson were but they were unlikely to potentially cause problems for the FA as the likes of Clough, El Tel (if they had kept him on after 96) and Harry had the potential to do. They were equally unlikely to win anything as England manager but the FA are less concerned about that. I bet it was a large 7" screen you saw it on. At youth levels the international teams have been doing quite well. we won the u19 world cup recently. I agree though the FA rarely pick the right man. Hodgson was a terrible choice. The money it pays they can have the pick of managers but we end up with bloody Southgate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Ugh, just hurry up and get it over with so we can get back to proper football. This qualifying malarkey is rubbish. Should be a tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 35 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: Ugh, just hurry up and get it over with so we can get back to proper football. This qualifying malarkey is rubbish. Should be a tournament. You do realise the alternative is Steve Bruce football 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: You do realise the alternative is Steve Bruce football I'd still take it over England qualifierzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 4, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2017 Ox starts? Beautiful goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Started like a **** shit show even before the goal. Running around like headless chickens. Embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Bwahaha England are pitiful. they almost the Aston Villa of international football. good on paper but powderpuff in reality with no ability to break teams down. awful to watch too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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