TRO Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm not seeing this 'O'Hare is a better player ' stuff. Has he even played 90 minutes of senior football yet? O'Hare and Onomah are 2 players that offer much different things......very different attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, striker said: Spoke to a Spurs fan about Onomah who didn't rate him at all. Can't pass, can't tackle, isn't an attacking or defensive midfielder and doesn't score many goals. Spurs fan's words, not mine. For the most part we're seeing that apraisal in a Villa shirt so it's time Bruce benches him and plays one of O'Hare, Lansbury or Grealish who imo are better players. You would get c30,000 different opinions if you asked villa fans about one of ours. Edited December 2, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 3, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2017 Jack needs a chance , and this is the time to give it to him and let Onomah rest and gather some extra motivation. He will be needed again soon, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 3, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2017 He's been caviar and cabbage for his whole time here. He's either excellent or dog shit. Friday was the latter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I just don't think he is an attacking mid. When he played CM early in the season he did pretty well. He is good at dribbling and was showing for the ball well at CM. I wouldn't mind pushing Hourihane to his natural attacking mid spot, and having Onomah as the box to box guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 We shouldn’t be neglecting the development of our own kids in order to help Spurs develope one of theirs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 When back to full fitness I rather have Grealish (or Snodgrass when Green comes back) as ACM and have Onomah compete for one of the CM spots instead. As mentioned before I don't quite think he has the attributes to shine in ACM (yet?) He's doing an OK job but I think we'd be even better if we reshuffled the midfield a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockport_Villain Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, sne said: When back to full fitness I rather have Grealish (or Snodgrass when Green comes back) as ACM and have Onomah compete for one of the CM spots instead. As mentioned before I don't quite think he has the attributes to shine in ACM (yet?) He's doing an OK job but I think we'd be even better if we reshuffled the midfield a bit. He's a young lad learning his trade. All young players have good and bad patches it's the way it goes. If you were to have Grealish in his place you would lose a lot of energy and closing down that Onomah brings which would allow the opposition to build attacks at their leisure. So whilst it might not necessarily be a bad thing it would change the shapes of games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 4, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, meregreen said: We shouldn’t be neglecting the development of our own kids in order to help Spurs develope one of theirs. We should if they're good enough to make it into the first team on merit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stockport_Villain said: He's a young lad learning his trade. All young players have good and bad patches it's the way it goes. If you were to have Grealish in his place you would lose a lot of energy and closing down that Onomah brings which would allow the opposition to build attacks at their leisure. So whilst it might not necessarily be a bad thing it would change the shapes of games. Possibly, but having Grealish or Snodgrass in that spot would likely allow us to retain possession a bit more higher up in the pitch and we could still have Onomah's energy on the pitch but a bit further down the field. This would hopefully also make us less reliant on a 19 y.o target man playing his first season. As for him learning his trade that is of course true, but he's doing it for Spurs sake, and from what I remembered Pochettino wanted him to toughen up and play in DCM when he came here as he was a bit weak to do it in the PL yet. Edit: Also might want to see him and Hourihane swap positions if we are to continue with the same players as we currently are. Thou I maintain we'll need to rotate now that players are getting tired and others coming back from injury. Edited December 4, 2017 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 18 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He's been caviar and cabbage for his whole time here. He's either excellent or dog shit. Friday was the latter. couldn't have put it better.....when he's on, he is really on......when he's off like Friday, its head in hands time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Stockport_Villain said: He's a young lad learning his trade. All young players have good and bad patches it's the way it goes. If you were to have Grealish in his place you would lose a lot of energy and closing down that Onomah brings which would allow the opposition to build attacks at their leisure. So whilst it might not necessarily be a bad thing it would change the shapes of games. I don't disagree.......... but with Gray,Little, Deehan & Shaw at an even younger age ...that was never mentioned. Trevor Francis at 16 tearing it up. Different times perhaps, but everything is relative. some fans would say, they are either good enough or they are not.....harsh game this football. He needs to come out fighting and take the view that these opposition players are trying to take my future away from me.....He has the talent, needs the application in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 On 04/12/2017 at 13:03, Stevo985 said: We should if they're good enough to make it into the first team on merit How are we going to developer our youngsters if we are developing other clubs youngsters, especially as Onomah is not, in my opinion, good enough for the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said: How are we going to developer our youngsters if we are developing other clubs youngsters, especially as Onomah is not, in my opinion, good enough for the first team. If our youngsters are good enough then they'll get in the team. By your logic we should never bother loaning players. Why are we playing Johnstone when we could be developing Sarkic? Why are we playing Snodgrass when we could be developing O'Hare? We loan players to try and improve the first team. If they're good enough to do that then they play. Onomah has his bad games, but in general this season he's been one of our better midfielders. I would agree with you IF we were purely playing Onomah to develop him. That would make no sense. But we're not. He has improved us, albeit inconsistently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 ^^^What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Heart the size of a pea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Looked a lot better on the left, before that he was total unmitigated garbage of the highest imaginable order. Grealish has to start ahead of him, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Needs to be dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 He either needs to be dropped into a deeper position or benched, he hasn't really shown his best form being the one supporting Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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