Zatman Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Who in their right mind plays a young player out of position? not uncommon. Martin O'Neill played Gardner, Gabby and Luke Moore out of position when he came in. Houllier done it with Clark and Lambert with Weimann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 We should ship him back to Spurs, to free up cash to sign a loan player who can make a difference, this kid cant or wont 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Bruce-Ball is killing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: not uncommon. Martin O'Neill played Gardner, Gabby and Luke Moore out of position when he came in. Houllier done it with Clark and Lambert with Weimann How did that go then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Zatman said: not uncommon. Martin O'Neill played Gardner, Gabby and Luke Moore out of position when he came in. Houllier done it with Clark and Lambert with Weimann And it never worked for them either. I find the whole thing astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 18, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2017 19 hours ago, DCJonah said: I can't imagine spurs will be too thrilled Not really the best way to develop a cm, play him as a lone striker. 16 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Who in their right mind plays a young player out of position? My Spurs supporting work colleague tells me he's always been played out wide when he's made appearances for Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: My Spurs supporting work colleague tells me he's always been played out wide when he's made appearances for Spurs. So what is his „position“ then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: My Spurs supporting work colleague tells me he's always been played out wide when he's made appearances for Spurs. 2 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: So what is his „position“ then? Goalkeeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 18, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: So what is his „position“ then? He says he's a deep lying midfielder. My point was Bruce isn't the only one that plays him out of position. Seems Pochettino does too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: He says he's a deep lying midfielder. My point was Bruce isn't the only one that plays him out of position. Seems Pochettino does too. I appreciate your point. Poch has decided that he‘s not needed (atm) and that we could develop him a little. (or whatever you call it). We‘ve seen with Thor, Bruce has played him LB LW CM AM -ish, that a player can be abused out of position. If I remember correctly you described Thor as „utter shit“. If it doesnt help an already seasoned player to play him here, there and everywhere, it will take an exceptional young player a lot more to adapt. Onomah has been decribed as Motm in some games, „the worst player on the pitch“ in others. He‘s probably been everything inbetween too. That suggests to me that either in a certain position, constellation or style Onomah can be a good player. Finding that out is the managers job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He says he's a deep lying midfielder. My point was Bruce isn't the only one that plays him out of position. Seems Pochettino does too. Martin O'Neill played them many of them, all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Grasshopper said: I appreciate your point. Poch has decided that he‘s not needed (atm) and that we could develop him a little. (or whatever you call it). We‘ve seen with Thor, Bruce has played him LB LW CM AM -ish, that a player can be abused out of position. If I remember correctly you described Thor as „utter shit“. If it doesnt help an already seasoned player to play him here, there and everywhere, it will take an exceptional young player a lot more to adapt. Onomah has been decribed as Motm in some games, „the worst player on the pitch“ in others. He‘s probably been everything inbetween too. That suggests to me that either in a certain position, constellation or style Onomah can be a good player. Finding that out is the managers job If you play in a position and excel.......Chances are you will stay there. you tend to buy your own passage. Edited December 18, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Grasshopper said: So what is his „position“ then? The one you excel in. its just that some managers give you a chance or benefit of the doubt. Edited December 18, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, TRO said: The one you excel in. its just that some managers give you a chance or benefit of the doubt. ?????? You are evading the question Tro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Grasshopper said: So what is his „position“ then? Any position apart from a CM where one lapse of concentration opens you up. The guy doesn't like to tackle, he doesn't look back when teams break, he doesn't like to be tackled, he doesn't like contact or any sort, he doesn't make life hard or close people down unless screamed to do so and everytime we don't have the ball Bruce has to remind him to stop him daydreaming. I would be more than happy to have him on the bench or fighting for a spot but it is clear Spurs want him playing games and we are tied in that aspect so get rid, the kid hasn't got what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 57 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Any position apart from a CM where one lapse of concentration opens you up. The guy doesn't like to tackle, he doesn't look back when teams break, he doesn't like to be tackled, he doesn't like contact or any sort, he doesn't make life hard or close people down unless screamed to do so and everytime we don't have the ball Bruce has to remind him to stop him daydreaming. I would be more than happy to have him on the bench or fighting for a spot but it is clear Spurs want him playing games and we are tied in that aspect so get rid, the kid hasn't got what it takes. Must've been watching his twin against QPR, Colchester, Sunderland, Preston, Bristol, Norwich then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 20 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He says he's a deep lying midfielder. My point was Bruce isn't the only one that plays him out of position. Seems Pochettino does too. I've seen this mentioned a few times, and whilst this might be the case, for the life of me I do not see how on earth this lad could ever make it in that position. When I think of Onomah's attributes the last attributes that come to mind are passing, tackling and positioning, he's atrocious at the last two and only very average at passing. No surprise to me he has been played out wide for Spurs because what he does have is pace and can dribble with the ball well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 No surprise to me he has been played out wide for Spurs because what he does have is pace and can dribble with the ball well. I've not even seen this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Good header but can somebody confirm what injury he is carrying? I am sure the commentator said he can only use the side of his foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Absolute **** fanny. **** off back to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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