bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, mykeyb said: Election days are a bit like watching the FA Cup Final a couple of weeks ago, I dont like either side and dont support either by choice but to make it interesting I will pick the side I like least to support. What the actual **** 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, tonyh29 said: I wasn't making that case at all I'm not a keen Tory .. I'm just not keen on Labour , Greens , Lib Dems , UKIP , SNP , the welsh one that I can't spell etc OK - but I take it you vote Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Risso said: Is there any evidence Murdoch ever said that? I remember reading it so it absolutely implies a personal experience of him saying it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, hippo said: OK - but I take it you vote Tory. Completely entrenched - so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Are people honestly expecting a set of policies from a party that they agree with close on 100% ? Surley you look at the broad thrust of the policies and make your decision on that ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, Risso said: Is there any evidence Murdoch ever said that? Because as the big man said ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: I see massive amounts of spending that has to and has every chance of stimulating the economy. If it doesn't we're all **** because Tory austerity has done this to the national debt I see their values as very modern because Keynesian based socialism is very progressive. I see Tory austerity and cutting back as very short-sighted and illogical So Labour lost in May 2010, looking at the graph above it doubled under Labour if you look at the lowest point under their leadership. The increase in 2010 was about as fast as anywhere else on the graph, this is why I cannot vote Labour at this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, hippo said: OK - but I take it you vote Tory. I voted for them once , first year I was allowed to vote (92) and I voted Lib Dem once , think it was probably 97 and Blair's landslide year ... rest of the time I've not voted .. probably won't vote today either as per my grudge with Hammond ... council elections I don't really recall voting in , I could well have done .. only one I recall was the year an old school friend of mine stood for UKIP and I did go and vote for him out of friendship (for shame) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, mykeyb said: So Labour lost in May 2010, looking at the graph above it doubled under Labour if you look at the lowest point under their leadership. The increase in 2010 was about as fast as anywhere else on the graph, this is why I cannot vote Labour at this election. Global Financial Crisis? 2008 to 2010 was a write-off. It was all hands to the pump to stop everything collapsing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, darrenm said: Global Financial Crisis? 2008 to 2010 was a write-off. It was all hands to the pump to stop everything collapsing. Yes your right, hang on Jeremy I have changed my mind................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mykeyb said: So Labour lost in May 2010, looking at the graph above it doubled under Labour if you look at the lowest point under their leadership. The increase in 2010 was about as fast as anywhere else on the graph, this is why I cannot vote Labour at this election. There doesn't look like an awful lot in it to be honest the 2015 rise looks pretty steep to me. Any slowing of the increase doesn't make the destruction of the NHS and public services worthwhile in my opinion. I think there is a lot of scaremongering a debt - but its pretty normal for a country to run a deficit - I think we only recently cleared the ww2 debt. This is where I take my hat off to george osborne he had people on £15k worrying the uk credit rating. That man I rate as a politician. Edited June 8, 2017 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Yes your right, hang on Jeremy I have changed my mind................... But in fairness, while you don't have to necessarily change your mind, you have to at least take that debt hike into context. It was a global thing, not a UK thing and using it as an actual reason to avoid any party would be fallacious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Whatever happened to the 1990-1992 recession - it never gets a mention. People talk about 1981 and 2008 global crisis - but 1992 recession (which in my opinion was the worst of the 3) never gets mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, BOF said: But in fairness, while you don't have to necessarily change your mind, you have to at least take that debt hike into context. It was a global thing, not a UK thing and using it as an actual reason to avoid any party would be fallacious. You are right, I had forgotten (erased from memory) the global crisis. With the levels they are at now I dont see how Labour can spend their way out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 34 minutes ago, bobzy said: What the actual **** Little things...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I will go with a Tory majority of 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 49 minutes ago, Risso said: Is there any evidence Murdoch ever said that? Widely reported as fact but Murdoch says he never said it and he seems like a trustworthy sort so I'm sure he's telling the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Is anyone going to stay up to watch the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 yes, well until the polls close, then if the prediction is misery ( norht of a 100 ) ( I'll go straight to drink / sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Is anyone going to stay up to watch the results? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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