LondonLax Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tayls said: Where’s the incline that we see in the clip? Seeing the section that has broken off and then the railway to the right I don’t get where the incline is… It will be behind the photographer in those daytime photos. Here is a wider view: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, villarule123 said: You can see the boat arrive under the bridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, villarule123 said: Bomb boat it is then unless that was another coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 The bridge has also been damaged in 2 places, Whether the initial explosion created a carriageway ripple disconnection the section further to the left from the blast area I don't know, but I'm sure that could be plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Maybe it was one of those Russian dolphins with dynamite that's gone rogue? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 A close up of the bridge damage showing the section futher away also damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KentVillan Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Looks like part of a plan to wipe out Russia’s supply lines ahead of a big offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Looks like part of a plan to wipe out Russia’s supply lines ahead of a big offensive. This now gives Ukraine so many more options to hit Russian supply lines. Due to the way Russia fights, its logistics are so much more vulnerable and crucial than Ukraine's, eg Russia needs to supply 10x? 50x? the missiles/bombs etc to neutralise a target as they're dumb weapons, compared to Ukraine needing, er one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 35 minutes ago, sne said: Maybe it was one of those Russian dolphins with dynamite that's gone rogue? First the Nordstream now this, them dolphins are becoming a real issue! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Will this trigger the first ‘tactical’ nuke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Looks like part of a plan to wipe out Russia’s supply lines ahead of a big offensive. There has been more chatter the last couple of weeks about a 3rd front opening from Zaphorizhzhia towards Melitopol. I think the event last night made this more than likely now. Edited October 8, 2022 by avfc1982am 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Will this trigger the first ‘tactical’ nuke? Nope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Thinking about the end of all this, because it will end, one way or another of course. In terms of the geopolitical aspects, I guess it’s likely that a fairly sizeable demilitarised zone will have to exist between Russia and Ukraine but that’s a helluva stretch of land and I wonder what would happen to towns and villages that are designated within it. The landscape could well be irreversibly changed and if a DMZ is created between Ukraine and Russia, who’s to say other bordering countries might not want to do the same, essentially separating Russia from Europe entirely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Thinking about the end of all this, because it will end, one way or another of course. In terms of the geopolitical aspects, I guess it’s likely that a fairly sizeable demilitarised zone will have to exist between Russia and Ukraine but that’s a helluva stretch of land and I wonder what would happen to towns and villages that are designated within it. The landscape could well be irreversibly changed and if a DMZ is created between Ukraine and Russia, who’s to say other bordering countries might not want to do the same, essentially separating Russia from Europe entirely? There will be Northern Ireland style ‘troubles’ for decades to come regardless of which side ‘wins’. There are too many people living side by side in places like Crimea and Donbas who support opposing nations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted October 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Will this trigger the first ‘tactical’ nuke? I’ve been thinking about this a lot, trying to find articles and podcasts on the nuclear question, and there isn’t much out there that really gets you close to an answer. But a few things that seemed like cause for optimism to me: Putin has been insinuating that he will use nukes for months now, and multiple different “red lines” have been crossed. The real trigger would surely still be a genuine threat to Russia’s (pre-2014) territorial integrity, in line with well established Russian doctrine. Putin is a survivor. He’s wriggled his way out of tight spots before. His main priority will surely be clinging on to power in Russia, and he’ll already be working on how he scapegoats other people for this disaster, plays rivals off against each other, etc. That’s his more natural route to surviving this than just starting a global nuclear war, and might be more feasible within Russia than it looks to us from the outside. In many ways this war was Putin trying to prove his ultra-nationalist credentials to factions that regarded him as too centrist / pro-west (!!!) and a lot of the grandstanding and nuclear chat can potentially be seen in that light. There is no sign of Russia manoeuvring any nuclear weapons into position. There are other forms of escalation still available to Putin. Although anything is possible, and we shouldn’t discount the threat of nuclear weapons, or expect Putin/Russia to be entirely rational, it doesn’t really make a lot of sense to use a nuke. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 Thread on the implications of the Kerch bridge being down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 41 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: The landscape could well be irreversibly changed and if a DMZ is created between Ukraine and Russia, who’s to say other bordering countries might not want to do the same, essentially separating Russia from Europe entirely? They should coin some kind of phrase for this separation between Russia and The West. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, sidcow said: They should coin some kind of phrase for this separation between Russia and The West. 'Ukraine hit the jackpot.... Kerching!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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