Jareth Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 9 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: She is absolutely fantastic. She has increased Finlands power, prestige and strength more in the past six months than anyone else has in decades. Middle aged man-love aside - what I like most about it is the message, for me it makes it less likely that Putin launches some nukes - I mean he can't nuke everyone at the same time and were he to war game it, granted he could take the whitehouse, us, France, but by the time he's been destroyed the Fins, Poland, you name it are all rolling in and mother Russia not only ceases to exist, the good guys still win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mandy Lifeboats Posted October 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2022 There is no way that bridge was hit by a medium range missile that coincidentally hit at the same time as a fuel train passed by. That is an incredibly well planned attack conducted at close range. Possibly a dropped cigarette. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 What a lovely birthday gift to wake up from for Putin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: There is no way that bridge was hit by a medium range missile that coincidentally hit at the same time as a fuel train passed by. That is an incredibly well planned attack conducted at close range. Possibly a dropped cigarette. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, bickster said: Imagine being in the car behind! A deliberate act by suicide bomber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 How would a truck bomb simultaneously take out the train on a separate bridge? Missiles seem more likely to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: A deliberate act by suicide bomber I'm not convinced it is a truck bomb, the explosion seems to come from the right of the bridge 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: How would a truck bomb simultaneously take out the train on a separate bridge? Missiles seem more likely to me. Bomb on the train seems more likely I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Yeah the blast seems to come from the right hand side, which as far as I can tell is the opposite side to the train bridge. A train bomb wouldn’t blow the far side of the road bridge, it’s got to be a missile, surely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Bomb on the train seems more likely I think I think that’s the least likely explanation personally. I’m actually coming around to to the truck bomb idea now. Bomb on the train doesn’t make sense to me. Train bridge isn’t that badly damaged, and nor is the train. I don’t see how that would have brought down the road bridge either. Two or three ATACAMS missiles would be the easiest way to do this, except only one side of the road bridge is totally collapsed. And the Ukrainians would probably target the rail bridge rather than the road bridge given it’s more important for logistics. And they’d probably finish the job shortly if they had the capability to do so. I didn’t really think the Ukrainians went in for suicide bombings, but a truck bomb would explain why only half the road collapsed. Apparently the fuel train was parked at a signal so it could just have been hit by flying debris - it didn’t look too badly damaged, just on fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: the blast seems to come from the right hand side, which as far as I can tell is the opposite side to the train bridge. A train bomb wouldn’t blow the far side of the road bridge, it’s got to be a missile, surely But if it is the opposite side to the Railway bridge it explodes before it impacts the bridge which is a little odd That bridge was built in a hurry after annexation of Crimea it isn't thought to be that well constructed. The are other pictures out there that you see that it hasn’t actually destroyed the section of bridge, it’s just removed it from the bridge, it’s still there in the water, the epsection of bridge that missing, it’s just dropped down, it also doesn’t seem to be massively twisted and distorted like you’d imagine it would be if it was hit by a missile strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: . Apparently the fuel train was parked at a signal so it could just have been hit by flying debris - it didn’t look too badly damaged, just on fire. Agree about the train not looking that damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 Maybe the bridge was rigged with explosives and remotely detonated when the train went over the area that was rigged. GPS proximity device or a simple line of sight. Classic SBS/ SAS type operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 51 minutes ago, tinker said: Maybe the bridge was rigged with explosives and remotely detonated when the train went over the area that was rigged. GPS proximity device or a simple line of sight. Classic SBS/ SAS type operation. Yeah, that's my thought. Explosion seems to come from the right of the road bridge. Someone could have planted a bomb under the road in the dead of night from a small submersible or small boat. Screams special opps to me. Was obviously also an incendiary device as huge arc of molten materials flies over the road and onto the railway track above coating the train carriages. I agree it was probably deliberately timed to coincide with the stopped train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 How does Putin react to this? I can see ballistic missiles being fired at Kyiv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Well this makes things interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 According to Vladimir Kontantinov, death and destruction is the only thing the Ukrainian regime can do. I mean it's utterly breathtaking in it's blatant lack of self awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2022 Looking forward to the Russian TV clips later. The guys are gonna be suicidal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 hours ago, bickster said: It looks like a missile. If it was a planted device on a vehicle surely the after blast would have been straight up and not pushed left like that indicating the force came from the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, It's Your Round said: Yeah the blast seems to come from the right hand side, which as far as I can tell is the opposite side to the train bridge. A train bomb wouldn’t blow the far side of the road bridge, it’s got to be a missile, surely. Where’s the incline that we see in the clip? Seeing the section that has broken off and then the railway to the right I don’t get where the incline is… The explosion could have come from a boat going underneath… Edited October 8, 2022 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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