Popular Post Jas10 Posted May 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2017 I hope we mainly move players out during the summer and get 3-4 signings in of genuine quality, that can go straight into and improve the first 11. Beyond that, some intelligent loan deals would be very welcome. I believe we have the basis of a decent side it just needs improving in some key areas. I have to be honest though - I am not at all optimistic in terms of gaining promotion next season but that's mainly due to our management and coaching staff (and obviously our miserable excuse for performances over this waste of a season). There's no point in continuing to say Bruce out etc. because we already know that the board are sticking with him. We'll just have to hope that it works out and he gets the job done, there can be no more excuses. I don't really care as long as we start being successful and challenge for the top two positions. For that to happen, a lot of work and changes still need to be carried out and I just hope that will be done. We've got to be right up there, forget the playoffs - there's no guarantee we would get through them. That should be the last resort. If we don't show early signs looking like title contenders, the management will have to be changed again - he will have had more than enough time. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Stu Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Jas10 said: The thing to establish is whether he would even want to come here and under what circumstances e.g. wages he would want, what role etc. I wouldn't mind if the wages were reasonable and he wanted to stay with the club and be involved in coaching - we don't even know what his skills are in that sense though and what he would bring. Has he completed his "badges", does he have any reputation in that sense? I wouldn't be against it but I don't think it's realistic and not sure why he would want to come here. The truth is, he is at a much better club (at least for now) with better prospects and they would probably offer him a role if he showed some potential in that sense. I just don't know what the draw would be for him to come here, from his perspective. Maybe our thoughts on him are based on nostalgia and not really thinking of the effect and whether it would really be worthwhile. I don't think we should be taking too many risks tbh and I suppose would I kind of view it like that - I don't think it's going to happen anyway. As an outright player, he wouldn't contribute for long enough imo. We already have Jedinak as an overage player who won't last long. If we sign old players for a season or two, just as a kind of "stop gap", it probably prevents or stops other, younger, fitter and maybe more talented players with more potential and more to contribute in the long term. I'd rather us look at better signings as I outlined earlier, let's build a team that move forwards together and become a bit of a unit. Personally, I would like us to discard most, if not all, of the players that have been associated with our past and especially those that have been involved in our decline. Players like Gabby, Hutton, Bacuna and more should be moved on. January wasn't a bad window and I was hoping that we were beginning to build a "new" side which I think is exactly what we need. The only one of these players (other than youngsters, inc Grealish, who would benefit from better players and role models) that I think we should retain, and who deserves it, is Baker. I get what you are saying in respect to building a team that can grow, but as for signing better players who could we sign that is better than Barry? Is there anyone in our squad that you would say is anywhere near as good as him? Players like lyden could learn a lot from him and become big players for us in the future. He is a player that would benefit the the whole club, he may only be a short term signing but we should be looking to improve the starting 11 in every window in my opinion, especially if we are to get back to the PL. I think we have a good base to build on and personally think that Barry would be a player that would take us to the next level. If we were to sign him, a quality winger, gk and cb plus look at a loan or 2 then I think we would be good enough to challenge for automatic promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Villa Stu said: I get what you are saying in respect to building a team that can grow, but as for signing better players who could we sign that is better than Barry? Is there anyone in our squad that you would say is anywhere near as good as him? Players like lyden could learn a lot from him and become big players for us in the future. He is a player that would benefit the the whole club, he may only be a short term signing but we should be looking to improve the starting 11 in every window in my opinion, especially if we are to get back to the PL. I think we have a good base to build on and personally think that Barry would be a player that would take us to the next level. If we were to sign him, a quality winger, gk and cb plus look at a loan or 2 then I think we would be good enough to challenge for automatic promotion. I wouldn't be against it mate, it's just my opinion that we should be looking elsewhere and have a different transfer strategy. Ultimately, the club will act as it wants and we will just have to judge whether they are doing the right things or not. I'm sure there are better options than Barry out there but it all depends on whether they would want to come here and how good our scouting is. I'd personally prefer a younger, more exciting/skilful midfielder who can stick with us and develop into a key member of the side for years to come. Again, I don't think the Barry signing is going to happen and it just seems like speculation from fans so it doesn't really matter much what our thoughts are on that. In in our current squad, no I don't think we've got anyone better than him in that position but we could sign someone who may well be. Barry is older than Jedinak (and we haven't been able to rely on him for the most of the season) and I wouldn't be comfortable with both of them, two aging MFs, in the side. We only need 1 DM in the starting 11 imo so what would happen to Jedinak? Edited May 9, 2017 by Jas10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Some suggestions that I thought of on the way home either on loan or a cheeky offer: G/K: Vorm, Pantilimon and obviously Johnstone. DEF: Morgan or Huth (rumours that Leicester are looking to upgrade both according to Talkshite). Delaney at Palace or could we be so bold and enquire about Shawcross at Stoke? MID: Charlie Adam, David Meyler, Barry (could we?). Loftus-Cheek or Chalobah on loan. Tried to think of a creative/skilful winger, but struggled. Mind went back to Ashley Young. There is that Sinclair bloke at Celtic that could be worth a look. FOR: Isaac Success or Tammy Abraham on loan? Frazier Campbell (not sure on this one and forgot all about him until someone mentioned him today). Dream would be Assombalonga though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I 18 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: Some suggestions that I thought of on the way home either on loan or a cheeky offer: G/K: Vorm, Pantilimon and obviously Johnstone. DEF: Morgan or Huth (rumours that Leicester are looking to upgrade both according to Talkshite). Delaney at Palace or could we be so bold and enquire about Shawcross at Stoke? MID: Charlie Adam, David Meyler, Barry (could we?). Loftus-Cheek or Chalobah on loan. Tried to think of a creative/skilful winger, but struggled. Mind went back to Ashley Young. There is that Sinclair bloke at Celtic that could be worth a look. FOR: Isaac Success or Tammy Abraham on loan? Frazier Campbell (not sure on this one and forgot all about him until someone mentioned him today). Dream would be Assombalonga though. I think Abraham would be a better fit than Assombalonga, Abraham is quite a bit younger too, I don't know if Abraham would come here, you obviously don't agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Just now, sir_gary_cahill said: I I think Abraham would be a better fit than Assombalonga, Abraham is quite a bit younger too, I don't know if Abraham would come here, you obviously don't agree I have really liked the look of Abraham this season and think he would be fantastic, but with the season he's just had I wonder if the Premiership now beckons for him? Obviously not a Chelsea first teamer, but with an Albion, Watford, West Ham type club? He would be great signing on loan though, if gettable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: I have really liked the look of Abraham this season and think he would be fantastic, but with the season he's just had I wonder if the Premiership now beckons for him? Obviously not a Chelsea first teamer, but with an Albion, Watford, West Ham type club? He would be great signing on loan though, if gettable? I agree with all apart from I think he is good enough for Chelsea, they're not exactly rich with strikers, he looks to be good enough for them in my opinion. Sadly, I don't think we would get a look in, I would be ecstatic if we did though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, sne said: So apparently Sunderland has hired Rob Mackenzie, who worked as Leicesters former head of technical scouting for 4 years and found among others Mahrez and helped assembled the title winning squad. He then worked a similar role at Spurs last season and this season at Derby. They've also snagged some guy from Man City called Simon Wilson and they will be handling recruitment in the summer as Moyes want's an completely new side next season. Know very little about these guys, but I wonder if we are as pro-active or if we are confident of having all the competence we need in house? Seems ok for Moyes,to want a new team........... but down here its all Bruce's fault( in some quarters)....Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Just now, TRO said: Seems ok for Moyes,to want a new team........... but down here its all Bruce's fault( in some quarters)....Interesting ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sne said: ? just being sarky in general. Edited May 9, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, TRO said: Seems ok for Moyes,to want a new team........... but down here its all Bruce's fault( in some quarters)....Interesting Huh? Bruce has already had half a team. Edited May 9, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 38 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Huh? Bruce has already had half a team. now he wants the other half 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Villa Stu said: I get what you are saying in respect to building a team that can grow, but as for signing better players who could we sign that is better than Barry? Is there anyone in our squad that you would say is anywhere near as good as him? Players like lyden could learn a lot from him and become big players for us in the future. He is a player that would benefit the the whole club, he may only be a short term signing but we should be looking to improve the starting 11 in every window in my opinion, especially if we are to get back to the PL. I think we have a good base to build on and personally think that Barry would be a player that would take us to the next level. If we were to sign him, a quality winger, gk and cb plus look at a loan or 2 then I think we would be good enough to challenge for automatic promotion. Barry would be a terrific signing in my opinion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, TRO said: now he wants the other half Fair enough. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 hours ago, ferguson1 said: I have really liked the look of Abraham this season and think he would be fantastic, but with the season he's just had I wonder if the Premiership now beckons for him? Obviously not a Chelsea first teamer, but with an Albion, Watford, West Ham type club? He would be great signing on loan though, if gettable? Yeah he will go on loan to a PL club next season. He won't be their player so they won't have any desire to develop him or let him learn his trade and make mistakes. So he won't be trusted to be a starter. This will happen for about 4 years at various clubs, amounting to about 20 starts being made and at 24, missing out a huge chunk of education, he will be released to the arse end of nowhere and will see out a sub par career. Sunderland probably. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skills Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 9 hours ago, sne said: So apparently Sunderland has hired Rob Mackenzie, who worked as Leicesters former head of technical scouting for 4 years and found among others Mahrez and helped assembled the title winning squad. He then worked a similar role at Spurs last season and this season at Derby. They've also snagged some guy from Man City called Simon Wilson and they will be handling recruitment in the summer as Moyes want's an completely new side next season. Know very little about these guys, but I wonder if we are as pro-active or if we are confident of having all the competence we need in house? sounds like us 10 months ago... a fiver that it has a similar ending to ours in 12 months time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I can see that Phil Jagielka is being linked Sheffs utd and Sunderland.. Surely we must be considering him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) What's the fascination with signing old players past their prime ? Barry I'd take but we couldn't have him and Jedinak in the same squad let alone team. Edited May 10, 2017 by thabucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Skills said: So apparently Sunderland has hired Rob Mackenzie, who worked as Leicesters former head of technical scouting for 4 years and found among others Mahrez and helped assembled the title winning squad. He then worked a similar role at Spurs last season and this season at Derby. They've also snagged some guy from Man City called Simon Wilson and they will be handling recruitment in the summer as Moyes want's an completely new side next season. Know very little about these guys, but I wonder if we are as pro-active or if we are confident of having all the competence we need in house? If your not mates with Round you don't get a job don't you know . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, thabucks said: What's the fascination with signing old players past their prime ? Barry I'd take but we couldn't have him and Jedinak in the same squad let alone team. Why? I can understand not putting them in the same team but why can't we have both in the squad? For what it's worth I'm not massively keen on signing Barry. He's decent but there must be better out there for the wages that he'd probably cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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