TRO Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I thought the whole execution was pathetic. i blame the .... Keeper the coaches the manager. my brother in law said during the game, they all do it......I don't give a flying **** whether they all do it, its unprofessional....and why take unnecessary risks. whats wrong with the full back kicking the ball from that position. sorry guys, stuck for words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 It was just one of those things. His kicking is generally poor however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2018 Killed the game effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Certainly at fault for the 2nd goal and has to learn fast that you cannot take these risks. Apart from that horrific mistake he did OK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) That one was even worse than the Gollini one from last season as he was under no pressure. Overall he's been good this season but he still has some very obvious flaws in his game to work on. Still not sold on signing him on a permanent basis, especially if we go up. If we fail to get promoted I'd be happy to take him if the price is right. Yesterday is one to forget, it happens. Just have to go again... Edited February 18, 2018 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 It should be a wake up call to him and the rest of the back line, his kicking is utterly atrocious for the most part, he shouldn't be receiving the ball anywhere near as often as he does. If the goal is to simply lump it down the pitch then there's no reason why one of the defenders can't do that 99% of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, sne said: Overall he's been god this season but he still has some very obvious flaws in his game to work on. That might be putting it a tad strongly although he certainly moved in a mysterious way for that goal.... Edited February 18, 2018 by terrytini 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 A defender taking that free kick would either mean we couldn't push up, and so would almost certainly lose possession, or, alternatively, the defender would play every opposition player onside if Fulham won the header and countered. It was totally right for Johnstone to be taking it, it was just horrendous execution from him. I'm another who is far from sold on Johnstone. For me, the praise he has received has been way over the top. I wouldn't be shelling out on him, especially if we do go up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Another over reaction here, he is by far the best goalkeeper we have had for some time and unfortunately made a mistake yesterday. He's young and it happens. The saves points he has earned us this season far outweigh this one mistake. He receives the ball a lot in games to take the pressure of the defence and midfield and generally deals with it well. Last season when he came in you could see him with the ball looking to play it out from the back and being constantly told to kick it instead, this seems to be Bruce's style of play and has continued this season. In my opinion this should be changed and we should look to drop our fullbacks in to receive the ball from short balls or goal kicks instead of lumping it forward and hoping Hogan wins it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Another over reaction here, he is by far the best goalkeeper we have had for some time and unfortunately made a mistake yesterday. He's young and it happens. The saves points he has earned us this season far outweigh this one mistake. Not an over-reaction, just a different opinion. It's not just his kicking, although he is pretty weak in that department. He's unconvincing when faced with crosses and high balls, and for me his shot-stopping has been slightly exaggerated also. Yes, he's youngish (25 next month), but I totally disagree with it being his first mistake this season. If we are in the Prem next season, I certainly would be uneasy with him as a number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, wilko154 said: Another over reaction here, he is by far the best goalkeeper we have had for some time and unfortunately made a mistake yesterday. He's young and it happens. The saves points he has earned us this season far outweigh this one mistake. He receives the ball a lot in games to take the pressure of the defence and midfield and generally deals with it well. Last season when he came in you could see him with the ball looking to play it out from the back and being constantly told to kick it instead, this seems to be Bruce's style of play and has continued this season. In my opinion this should be changed and we should look to drop our fullbacks in to receive the ball from short balls or goal kicks instead of lumping it forward and hoping Hogan wins it. Agree, me calling him god this season was a bit OTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 it was really bad kicking technique. As others have said his kick distribution is one of his worst attributes, but I had no problem him taking the kick, he just got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Weighing up how many vital saves he has made this season to how many kicks he has taken is far outweighed. Before this blip he had been faultless all season. For me it just summed up yesterday afternoon as a whole as a candle on the cake. We regroup and we bounce back on Tuesday night. This will all be forgotten if we go on another winning streak. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, wilko154 said: Another over reaction here, he is by far the best goalkeeper we have had for some time and unfortunately made a mistake yesterday. I really don't think this is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mat Kendrick's Dentist said: A defender taking that free kick would either mean we couldn't push up, and so would almost certainly lose possession, or, alternatively, the defender would play every opposition player onside if Fulham won the header and countered. It was totally right for Johnstone to be taking it, it was just horrendous execution from him. I'm another who is far from sold on Johnstone. For me, the praise he has received has been way over the top. I wouldn't be shelling out on him, especially if we do go up. Perfectly explained reasoning for doing it. but also,the trade off was irritatingly exposed. Edited February 18, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I really don't think this is true When was the last goalkeeper who was better? Surely you have to go back as far as early-period Guzan don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, villianusa said: it was really bad kicking technique. As others have said his kick distribution is one of his worst attributes, but I had no problem him taking the kick, he just got it wrong. I'm trying to cast my mind back.....I don't think Goalkeepers years ago ,did that from those positions, so far out of goal......but i could be wrong. Edited February 18, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: When was the last goalkeeper who was better? Surely you have to go back as far as early-period Guzan don't you? Yep. Guzan. So our last but one keeper. Johnstone has potential but I think he’s far from the finished article. A lot about his game makes me nervous. I don’t think signing him would be a bad move as such. But if we decided to look elsewhere I wouldn’t be fussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yep. Guzan. So our last but one keeper. Johnstone has potential but I think he’s far from the finished article. A lot about his game makes me nervous. I don’t think signing him would be a bad move as such. But if we decided to look elsewhere I wouldn’t be fussed. Guzan was a goalkeeper of two halves though, so it's actually several years (I don't think Johnstone is worse than Guzan of the last two seasons in the PL). EDIT: I agree with the rest of your post. Edited February 18, 2018 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Guzan was our best player (along with Benteke) in Lambert's first 2 seasons, and was much better than Johnstone's current level imo. Obviously he totally went to pot in the end. As Stevo said, we've only had Gollini between Guzan and Johnstone, so I think saying he's our best keeper in years is over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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