Mantis Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 I still don't think there's any real chance of us going down. For me the objective should be to finish strongly and build on that next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Mantis said: I still don't think there's any real chance of us going down. For me the objective should be to finish strongly and build on that next season. Injuries in weak areas (CB/CM) could kill us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 My expectations have changed and I don't expect us to go up or make the playoffs this season - Bruce needs to create some togetherness and organisation in the squad, with a view to going up next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, Mantis said: I still don't think there's any real chance of us going down. For me the objective should be to finish strongly and build on that next season. I think we're in big trouble of going down. 5-1 last night wouldn't have flattered wolves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Woodytom said: I think we're in big trouble of going down. 5-1 last night wouldn't have flattered wolves. True but then there have been games this season where 5-1 would've flattered our opponents. Edited October 16, 2016 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, Woodytom said: I think we're in big trouble of going down. 5-1 last night wouldn't have flattered wolves. But we didn't we drew with a very good wolves side, so not all hope is lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 28 minutes ago, Mantis said: I still don't think there's any real chance of us going down. For me the objective should be to finish strongly and build on that next season. I think it remains a big risk to be honest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But we didn't we drew with a very good wolves side, so not all hope is lost They were not a good side. We made them look good. The standard in this league is pretty low to be honest and from the games we have seen other teams have been better. Considering we spent 50m and bought players suited to this league that is a huge worry, we don't even look like better quality but poor fitness, or better quality but mental fragility , or better quality just unlucky , or better quality just a few out of form, or better quality just adapting to a different style. It is all of those things and poor quality which is a huge worry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Richard said: They were not a good side. We made them look good. The standard in this league is pretty low to be honest and from the games we have seen other teams have been better. Considering we spent 50m and bought players suited to this league that is a huge worry, we don't even look like better quality but poor fitness, or better quality but mental fragility , or better quality just unlucky , or better quality just a few out of form, or better quality just adapting to a different style. It is all of those things and poor quality which is a huge worry I don't think the quality of the players is the issue. As you say the standard in this division is poor and for me man for man on paper our squad is as good as most. As we have found though games aren't won on a paper and better quality won't make up for a lack of fitness, ridiculous formations/poor organisation, individual errors which overall have led to a lack of confidence. I think we have a manager who can address these issues and who in January will also fill the holes in the squad. It may well not come in time to see us in the mix for a play off place, although given there are still 34 games to go I personally don't rule that out, but it will come together well enough to see us in no danger of being relegated come the arse end of the season. Edited October 16, 2016 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 We need to stop talking about promotion guys, just stop it. Let Bruce get the chance to build this team over time, we can't keep sacking managers every season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I don't think the quality of the players is the issue. As you say the standard in this division is poor and for me man for man on paper our squad is as good as most. As we have found though games aren't won on a paper and better quality won't make up for a lack of fitness, ridiculous formations/poor organisation, individual errors which overall have led to a lack of confidence. I think we have a manager who can address these issues and who in January will also fill the holes in the squad. It may well not come in time to see us in the mix for a play off place, although given there are still 34 games to go I personally don't rule that out, but it will come together well enough to see us in no danger of being relegated come the arse end of the season. I admire your continued optimism, I feel it is misplaced but I admire it anyway . For me on quality sorry mark but not seen it . It is a combination of many things that make quality and in our lot I have seen poor application, simple mistakes, misplaced passes, lack of ball retention, no idea what to do with it once they have it, running into blind alleys, not running at all, errors in distribution, the list goes on. Other players, some new to this league, some 'journeymen' have demonstrated more than us. Lack of fitness, lack of confidence neither of those would affect basic football quality / skill and it is something we look light on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Richard said: I think it remains a big risk to be honest At this stage it simply isn't, not by any objective measure. Edited October 16, 2016 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: We need to stop talking about promotion guys, just stop it. Let Bruce get the chance to build this team over time, we can't keep sacking managers every season. This is the main thing for me and, without wishing to reignite the Bruce debate as he is here now, that is what I and a few others were saying we needed before we appointed him. A long term build job. Some people were saying we needed to just get up this season and then replace him for the next phase but my argument was that we never needed this as promotion was not going to happen anyway . We needed the long term build and for this to be in his hands is really worrying for me. Even those who wanted him did not accept he was a long term manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, villalad21 said: We need to stop talking about promotion guys, just stop it. Let Bruce get the chance to build this team over time, we can't keep sacking managers every season. I agree, but if we win Tuesday it's back on Edit. Yes yes I know.....we won't. Edited October 16, 2016 by Gary Thomas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Richard said: This is the main thing for me and, without wishing to reignite the Bruce debate as he is here now, that is what I and a few others were saying we needed before we appointed him. A long term build job. Some people were saying we needed to just get up this season and then replace him for the next phase but my argument was that we never needed this as promotion was not going to happen anyway . We needed the long term build and for this to be in his hands is really worrying for me. Even those who wanted him did not accept he was a long term manager. Bruce never had the opportunity in his career to spend big and have a big budget though. I still think he can be long term, as long as he get good backing from Tony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Posted October 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mantis said: At this stage it simply isn't, not by any objective measure. Cloud cuckoo land. we have won one game all season and three all year we cannot retain a lead we have fitness and confidence issues we have poor quality in key areas of the pitch we are one point above the relegation places after a quarter of the season we are two points away from the next team above us we are still not sure of our best side we have a new manage who is trying to land running By ANY objective measure it is a risk and people need to remove their heads from the sand 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Bruce never had the opportunity in his career to spend big and have a big budget though. I still think he can be long term, as long as he get good backing from Tony. Exactly he's never done it. He has no experience in that, the experience people were lauding is not that. But he is here now and at this moment he is our best hope for survival. We cannot have a nother new manager this season we are doomed if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: After hearing what he said after the game yesterday he continues to impress me. He has quickly highlighted a number of issues, most notably poor fitness levels and being unable to play with any intensity and press other teams, something the other manager failed to do after a full pre season and a dozen games. That is only half the job though and he now has to put those issues right. He needs time to do that though and I do hope we as a fan base give him that time before jumping on his back as I think for the first time in a long time we have a manager who can take us forward. I've always been impressed with his post-game interviews at both Sunderland and Hull but the problem was he never seemed to be able to put those issues right. Different circumstances obviously, but I hope he can do it with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 22 minutes ago, Mantis said: At this stage it simply isn't, not by any objective measure. It really is. We used to say that while in the prem and then it became a guarantee that we'd be relegated. It's something we should be worried about and survival should now be the number 1 priority this season. Things may change and we might by some miracle looks a playoff push later but right now we should be very concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: It really is. We used to say that while in the prem and then it became a guarantee that we'd be relegated. It's something we should be worried about and survival should now be the number 1 priority this season. Things may change and we might by some miracle looks a playoff push later but right now we should be very concerned. Yeah we used to say it while in the PL and for years it didn't happen. The season it actually did happen we were doing worse than this and with a comparatively far worse team. 19 minutes ago, Richard said: Cloud cuckoo land. we have won one game all season and three all year we cannot retain a lead we have fitness and confidence issues we have poor quality in key areas of the pitch we are one point above the relegation places after a quarter of the season we are two points away from the next team above us we are still not sure of our best side we have a new manage who is trying to land running By ANY objective measure it is a risk and people need to remove their heads from the sand It's a risk - never said it wasn't. It's just not a big risk. Edited October 16, 2016 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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