Steve Bruce

[Davkaus]

40 minutes ago, Genie said:

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It was mentioned in another thread I think but I suspect he’ll walk in the summer and who’d blame him.

We can but hope. Imagine getting rid of him without having to pay him off. That's a result.

[sne]

1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said:

Jesus wept.

**** this shit. I **** give up.

You don't think the fact that we have spent huge sums on players and can offer higher wages than most teams help our position?

Am I part of some other debate I'm not aware of? 

 

[DaveAV1]

16 minutes ago, Dick said:

We are at a dangerous point as a club, where failure is acceptable - as long as somebody ‘tries’ enough. When people protest that they don’t want failure it is called hysteria and abuse.

Absolutely insane.

You’re spot on. First it had to be automatic promotion, then a play off place and now it’s as long as we’re in touch with a playoff place. Give it a month or two and he’ll be heroically saving us from relegation. Which incidentally he claimed to have done last season. 

[Grasshopper]

14 hours ago, Rob182 said:

I have no problem with those people shouting “Bruce Out” from the rooftops, or having a sensible debate with them in the Steve Bruce thread... but it’s when they start questioning why I don’t want Bruce sacked yet, and what difference a few games will make, that I despair.

 

Some of us think that keeping Bruce could outweigh a new manager gamble, some of us can consider that the injuries to Terry and Kodjia have been a big factor in our downfall, others might think that we’re now only 7 points off 2nd, with our Top 6 rivals having a fairly tough January and us having a winnable run through February and March. We each have our own tolerances for what we deem to be acceptable. Some people have made their definitive opinion on what should happen to Bruce, which is fine. But what’s not fine is those people telling you that your opinion is wrong, or implying that the things that you’re suggesting ‘could happen’ never will happen.

Above else, what you fail to understand is that the reason why a team is made up of squad is so that injuries suspensions loss of form and the resting freshening up of the 11 on the pitch is more crucial than any other league. We have 46 games plus any cup ties we win.

ONLY taking this factor into consideration, you do NOT sell a 26yr old who performed well and replace him with 2 30+yr olds. NOT buy a cover for left back but buy and buy to have 3 RB‘s one of which can play RW when you already have the top assister as RW.....and then loan in another RW.

A balance squad is top of the list in „things you sort out first“ at the start of a season.

Bruce knew that Gaby was shot, he didnt want/trust McC, he cant get Hogan to score. What he had was an injured Kodjia (likely to get injured again when rushed back) RHM a youth player with potential. He ONLY threw Davis in as he had CAUSED the problem of not having a CF.

He complimented Jedi with a slower version who is not as effective as Jedi, Whelan.

The useless F*** plays players out of position for fun as if he doesnt want players to flurish in a villa shirt.

I really thing that his problem is that he is totally full of himself as he was an excellent defender in his playing career, having all that success and wants to dictate things with the players status kept well underneath him doing it his way because he holds his successes as a player way above the „inferior talents“ he has to work with.

I can only presume that he is so narrow minded that he sees his way as gospel. It‘s almost as if a different way of playing/approaching a game is like a different language, one he doesnt understand and then dismisses as irrelevant.

Anyway, as our owner and CEO made clear at the beginning of the season that promotion is the target, I am just being delusional thinking we should be top of the league (or 2nd) as our true target is to accept whatever Sir Bruce is prepared to serve up.

It‘s as close as damn it to getting it all wrong deliberately, because thats harder than actually getting it right..... its more of a challenge.

Bruce Out

and the rest to follow

Agnew, Calderwood, clements. then Wyness and Round

Start again from scratch

[DCJonah]

54 minutes ago, Genie said:

Can’t beleive what a bunch of cry babies on here, I bet people have been tweeting Dr_T to tell him off for being nasty.

From reading this thread SB has had a ridiculous amount of abuse. He is a professional guy doing his best to get Villa promoted and this is what he gets in return. 

It was mentioned in another thread I think but I suspect he’ll walk in the summer and who’d blame him.

Manager underperforming gets some stick on a website. Oh no, won't someone think of the children!!!

[briny_ear]

2 hours ago, DCJonah said:

Think you're once again inventing your hysteria. 

I see people questioning decisions and his post match comments. Why is that a problem? Winning a game doesn't make him a God that we all must bow down to. 

He is still way off his targets, criticism and questioning is more than fair. 

So we won a difficult match but people are questioning his post-match comments?

I think those Christmas tokens should be spent on buying a sense of perspective. 

[Brumstopdogs]

15 minutes ago, sne said:

You don't think the fact that we have spent huge sums on players and can offer higher wages than most teams help our position?

Am I part of some other debate I'm not aware of? 

 

How much of that did Bruce spend?

[NurembergVillan]

14 minutes ago, sne said:

You don't think the fact that we have spent huge sums on players and can offer higher wages than most teams help our position?

Am I part of some other debate I'm not aware of? 

 

We spent 4 pages debating this last night.

The notion that we'd spent vast amounts more than anyone else was disproven.

The only thing left to be said was that of the expensive signings, Bruce has made one - two with JT's wages.

The rest were signed under RDM. We couldn't have foreseen what would've happened to McCormack or Kodjia.

Read back over the debate from late last night.

[sne]

Just now, Brumstopdogs said:

How much of that did Bruce spend?

About a third?

Not really an issue as I'm pretty sure he's allowed to use the players he didn't sign as well?

[sne]

1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said:

We spent 4 pages debating this last night.

The notion that we'd spent vast amounts more than anyone else was disproven.

The only thing left to be said was that of the expensive signings, Bruce has made one - two with JT's wages.

The rest were signed under RDM. We couldn't have foreseen what would've happened to McCormack or Kodjia.

Read back over the debate from late last night.

Ah OK. 

 

[Brumstopdogs]

2 minutes ago, sne said:

About a third?

Not really an issue as I'm pretty sure he's allowed to use the players he didn't sign as well?

Sure he can use them but doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones he wanted/wants.

Edited December 31, 2017 by Brumstopdogs

[sne]

Just now, Brumstopdogs said:

Sure he can use them but doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones he wanted.

No manager in the world of football bar possibly Pep get's all the players they want.

Certainly no managers in the Championship.

Think Bruce is pretty happy about Adomah, Chester and Kodija for example.

Less so about McGatemack and Tshibola 

[Brumstopdogs]

Can't disagree with what!

[Dr_Pangloss]

22 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said:

Sure he can use them but doesn't necessarily mean they are the ones he wanted/wants.

Well when he did spend big he spent £15m on Scott Hogan.

[DaveAV1]

The problem with our team is that it has no spine, which all good teams have. 

Johnstone has developed ok, but he is weak on crosses and it sounds like he could be going anyway.

We have two players at centre half who are at the end of their careers, one that is a joke footballer another that is so accident prone that most of us are on beta blockers, leaving only Chester who is decent and not injured most of the time.

Midfield is just a hotch potch of players largely out of position.

Up front we have, erm....do we have anyone?

The problem that RDM had was he forgot to buy a midfield and so the squad was unbalanced. This squad is aging and injury prone and lacks any shape, cohesion or a plan.

[villianusa]

13 hours ago, sidcow said:

And I am not 100% convinced on Kodjia. Despite scoring loads of goals last season there were still more than a sprinkling of dissenters about his overall contribution to the team and he hardly scored during his comeback.  I know there are probably good reasons behind this but as I say I am still not 100% convinced his absence is somekind of disaster. 

 

Yet we have an average of 2.13 points per game when he is in the team this season, and 1.14 when not. Seems he has some sort of impact, and we might be missing him a little bit.

[villianusa]

13 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said:

 

The problem that RDM had was he forgot to buy a midfield and so the squad was unbalanced. This squad is aging and injury prone and lacks any shape, cohesion or a plan.

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Idrissa Gueye, Jordan Veretout, Adama Traore, and Scott Sinclair say hi. I wouldn't mind that 4 across midfield.

 

[TRO]

5 hours ago, peterms said:

So what do you think should be done if people behave like that and refuse to moderate their behaviour or language when requested?

I would have thought the stewards should ask the police to speak to them, to say they are out of order and need to stop.  After that, if it continues, remove them, and maybe either move them to empty seats in a different stand, eject them, or arrest them, depending on the extent of the misconduct and whether it's serious enough to warrant (sorry) a charge.  After that, identify them and how they got their tickets, and either warn them about future conduct, or prevent them buying in their own name in future, or from buying in that stand, or if season ticket holders then either move them or cancel the tickets, again depending on the extent of misconduct.

From what you say it seems the stewarding team simply accepted that there was nothing that could be done, and they had to be allowed to continue with what they were doing.  Does ths club actually feel they are powerless to dsal with this?

But harrassment by a handful of individuals should not result in ill-judged comments about mass hysteria, and I doubt that was what was in his mind anyway.

On the incident behind the dugout.....it sounds absolutely amateurish the way it was dealt with, leaving one poor female to deal with it......If the rest of the club is like this and yes the football, god help us.

That should never be allowed to happen....we need sterner more deliberate management of such situations.

[sne]

Just now, TRO said:

On the incident behind the dugout.....it sounds absolutely amateurish the way it was dealt with, leaving one poor female to deal with it......If the rest of the club is like this and yes the football, god help us.

That should never be allowed to happen....we need sterner more deliberate management of such situations.

Agreed.

Since Micah Richards isn't doing much these days perhaps he can re-assume the role he took upon himself after the Wycombe game?

Since we are paying him we might as well get some use out of him. let him handle the drunks shouting abuse at the games. 

[srsmithusa]

I’m not really that concerned what a manager says to the press.   His job is to manage a team and get promotion.  

If I did have a beef with his comments, it was his arguing how well we’re doing.  How a football man can watch the match I did and say that we played well against a really good opponent, I’ll never understand.  Both teams played horribly. So many poor decisions and poor passes.  I have seen amateur matches played with much better discipline within a system.  

We scored.  They didn’t.  That’s good.