Tayls Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Think he meant Nuno Espirito Santo to be fair Yeah - I just wasn’t sure if foreveryoung meant to put Santo, or whether he meant Mendes who was able to supply wolves with players who play a certain way.... guessing it was the first thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 hours ago, TheStagMan said: I have heard we have ordered one of these: to cope with the amount of players that Steve throws under it. I thought it was to play CB instead of Jedinak? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Hornso said: I thought it was to play CB instead of Jedinak? Probably turns faster... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Bruce gets new players to stand on a chair and sing a song it's a standard new signing initiation adopted by most clubs (to my knowledge) and generally driven by the players. fair play for finding a new stick to beat him with though...havent seen that one before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Written 7 years ago. Quote If he failed to cut it as a tactician, the 50-year-old did not seem much of a strategist either. Including loans, 30 players were signed – several of whom have subsequently been moved on – during Bruce's two-and-a-half years on Wearside. That represents an unsettling "churn" factor and hardly proved conducive to developing either a clear playing philosophy or strong team spirit. Always rather amorphous, if not downright scrappy, Sunderland's high-tempo style lacked creativity, not to mention control, in central midfield. Unable to dictate play, the team frequently failed to press home early advantages https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked Bruce in an interview this time last year states he brought in Hogan, Lansbury and Hourihane to 'open things up' and deliver football played on the front foot. Chosen for their having the 'top statistics in the division'. He says he tried to do this too quickly and 'the statistics show' that when he tried to open things up we got beat. He also mentions his idea of playing in an attacking way is having two up top in a 3-5-2. Something we saw in pre-season of this season, but Bruce obviously opted against pursuing it. Last time this club employed a 3-5-2 from memory Chelsea beat us 8-0 under Lambert (leaving players like Delph and Albrighton on the bench in favour of Bannan and Holman). To Bruce's credit his Hull team went 2-0 up against Arsenal in the 2014 FA Cup final using this system. He says in response to criticism of his defensive approach and archaic jibes that he was playing two up top in a 3-5-2 six years ago, and that the formation has become very fashionable since. I remember reading some fans confirmation of how clueless Bruce is by pointing out that he was copying Southgate and Chelsea to feign modernism (goes to show how naive we can be as supporters). In the same interview Bruce says that we were to run with a 4-3-3, something we did for two games before switching to predominantly playing 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1 and 4-1-4-1. We are back with 4-4-1-1 this season and I think this is a good decision from Bruce. I personally would be playing different players but I wouldn't be surprised if the players I want to see end up playing soon enough anyway. It's interesting to note that Bruce is playing a formation used to some success by his once manager, Sir Alex Ferguson. I wonder if he has taken the time to explore what Guardiola did with it for Bayern in 2013, or Fulham in 2010 en route to the Europa League Final. Bruce says that every player he has brought in has been with the aim of us being better on the ball and getting on the front foot. McGinn has been an excellent pickup to play the role linking between the more defensive CM and the AM and I am hoping for equally big things in the wide positions from the likes of Bolasie, El Ghazi and Adomah. Grealish in the AM role and Kodjia as striker and we really don't need to worry too much about transitioning from defense to offense, only the reverse, as we can get hit on the break by teams with pace and are a bit weak centrally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Are people still defending this useless **** trumpet? Just wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The Axel situation sums up a bit how I feel about Bruce. We don't need another RB we NEED a CB. If he is here to play first choice RB then I question the managers judgement. If Bruce sees Jedinak as 1st choice CB for the remainder of the season I question his judgement. I know Bruce has said that AT can play anywhere across the back so he could legitimately be considered cover for Jedinak, but if we are bringing in a specialist defender who is not good enough to displace Jedi from the first team having lost a vital player in the same position over the summer then I question the decision making. I find myself asking what the plan was and I can't find a sensible answer to it. I had thought the plan was to play AT as a CB right from the start, to give him a run of games with Chester and hopefully they form a partnership. It made sense to me when we signed AT that this would be the case. You can argue over the quality or the experience of the player, but the logic of signing a tall, strong, athletic and quick CB from Man U on loan to fill the position of CB is there for all to see. Jedi can then sit on the bench and cover DM and CB positions, but this was clearly not the plan. Bruce had a lot of problems to solve over the summer, replacing Terry was one of the biggest. There is a world of CB's to choose from out there and we have apparently picked one who is not ready to play CB. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I think about this situation. I see the recruitment policy and I'm not sure what the plan is, I look at the team sheets and I'm not sure what the plan is, I then watch the team play and I'm not sure what the plan is. Even if we go out and get a CB on loan in the next day or so, which I really hope we do, I still don't see what the plan was for AT. We didn't need 2 goalkeepers on loan either, we just needed the one and to have one of our 5 match day squad loan positions filled by the reserve goalkeeper is a moronic decision. Is anyone thinking this stuff through? BTW, hoping to keep it tight and that we manage to steal a goal from somewhere is not a plan, it is the absence of a plan and hoping to keep it tight with three of your back four playing out of position goes beyond hope into the world of fantasy. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Regarding Axel, I'd take a few "ropey" games with him at centre half to develop a partnership with Chester if Bruce isn't bringing another one in, you're pretty much guaranteed a game changer from Jedinak every game anyway so what's the harm? Just goes back to Bruce preferring to not lose rather than win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 It's really frustrating that in Bruce's tenure SHA have had two better managers in Rowett and now Monk (the former in particular). I doubt many at the Sty would swap right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Hornso said: I thought it was to play CB instead of Jedinak? Probably more mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, Dale said: It's really frustrating that in Bruce's tenure SHA have had two better managers in Rowett and now Monk (the former in particular). I doubt many at the Sty would swap right now. Rowett is such a better manager he finished 7 points behind us last season with a pretty good Derby squad and is currently 4 points below us with a really good Stoke team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dale said: It's really frustrating that in Bruce's tenure SHA have had two better managers in Rowett and now Monk (the former in particular). I doubt many at the Sty would swap right now. Better based on what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, kiltorken said: Better based on what exactly? Based on he's not Steve Bruce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: Rowett is such a better manager he finished 7 points behind us last season with a pretty good Derby squad and is currently 4 points below us with a really good Stoke team And neither have achieved anything. But sure, far superior Managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 On 27/08/2018 at 23:03, sne said: If you factor in the transfer restrictions at Bilbao and the opposition in that league the picture gets a bit clearer. Bielsa vs Bruce is like Hierro vs Ciaran Clark. There is just no comparison, none. Doesn't mean Bielsa will be a long term success at Leeds, the guy's nuts and ridiculously demanding. There can be no cherry picking....being "ridiculously demanding" and" nuts"is part of the mans make up., its hardly a recommendation...but we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, TRO said: There can be no cherry picking....being "ridiculously demanding" and" nuts"is part of the mans make up., its hardly a recommendation...but we will see. See what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 On 28/08/2018 at 00:20, macandally said: That is just a ridiculous statement, I am sure 47% is better than Benitez but are you saying you wouldn’t swap Bruce for him in a heartbeat? It isn't a statement, its a fact.....thats why i said draw your own conclusions. Yes, i would prefer Benitez to Bruce......but not so sure about Biesla. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Hoof hearted said: Regarding Axel, I'd take a few "ropey" games with him at centre half to develop a partnership with Chester if Bruce isn't bringing another one in, you're pretty much guaranteed a game changer from Jedinak every game anyway so what's the harm? Just goes back to Bruce preferring to not lose rather than win. Tuesday would have been an ideal opportunity to start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, sne said: See what? We will see if he does better than Bruce at season end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, TheStagMan said: Probably more mobile The William McGregor statue is more mobile than Jedinak. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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