Popular Post Junxs Posted August 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2018 Drawing against relegation or lower table teams should never be considered as a good result. Drawing against a good side also gunning for automatic promotion is acceptable Our last 3 draws have come against relegation fodder so under no circumstances should be considered as good results. Unless of course the aim is survival Now ask yourself the question are villa trying to get promotion this season? Now reevaluate your stance on whether the being unbeaten in the last 3 games is good or not! Can't believe it needs explaining and some people are happy with this poor start. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, HeyAnty said: The only thing glaringly obvious thing to use is over a season, (which is the correct sample) Again, call me whacky and deluded but you ‘appear’ here to be saying that you are using ‘ the’ ‘ correct’ sample............whereas as you now correctly state it’s nonmore or less ‘correct’ than any other. Still, glad it’s all settled now. So, as I said, Bruce has been averaging close to 2 points a game for over a seasons worth of games now, so in my view it’s reasonable ( note - reasonable......not ‘likely’, ‘ certain’ etc, just reasonable ) to think he might well continue to do so, and get us up around top 2. For that reason, and the lack of a clear available replacement who I could see bettering that, I’d stick with him. Not ‘ pro’ or ‘anti’, not a ‘cultist’ or a ‘hater’. Not ‘wrong’ or selective. Just expressing my view on whether we should keep him, and why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, blandy said: Like one of Albert's less accurate crosses, er, to stay on topic, when he's, um, picked by Steve Bruce out. So any one of his crosses then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 42 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: Because whilst the league and cup are separate, the problem with us over-relying on the individual skills of a small group of quality players to win us matches, rather than coach a whole squad to play an effective style of football is a problem which affects us whatever competition we're playing in. It's simply that last nights cup game highlighted that issue more so than normal. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I'm still trying to get to the bottom of "why Bruce is the man". He's old fashioned and he's not a particularly good coach, Am I right so far? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, terrytini said: Again, call me whacky and deluded but you ‘appear’ here to be saying that you are using ‘ the’ ‘ correct’ sample............whereas as you now correctly state it’s nonmore or less ‘correct’ than any other. Still, glad it’s all settled now. So, as I said, Bruce has been averaging close to 2 points a game for over a seasons worth of games now, so in my view it’s reasonable ( note - reasonable......not ‘likely’, ‘ certain’ etc, just reasonable ) to think he might well continue to do so, and get us up around top 2. For that reason, and the lack of a clear available replacement who I could see bettering that, I’d stick with him. Not ‘ pro’ or ‘anti’, not a ‘cultist’ or a ‘hater’. Not ‘wrong’ or selective. Just expressing my view on whether we should keep him, and why. Thats fair enough and you are entitled to your opinion and i apologize if i offended you with the way i game across as its only my opinion and i wasnt my intention to do so. It still doesn't make me think anything different regards using a sample of 47 games instead of using a sample of 46 over a period of a season. Jumping over multiple seasons Skews the result. To make it clear, all in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 29, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: No no, I was being entirely serious. And perhaps if I explain the rather crude analogy properly you'll understand why... Because whilst the league and cup are separate, the problem with us over-relying on the individual skills of a small group of quality players to win us matches, rather than coach a whole squad to play an effective style of football is a problem which affects us whatever competition we're playing in. It's simply that last nights cup game highlighted that issue more so than normal. So, much like if you had no money and it say stopped you going to the cinema one night (getting knocked out of the cup) - then hey no biggy. But at the same time if it eventually meant you couldn't afford your mortgage (not getting promoted) - yeah rather problematic! Do you not see where I'm coming from? i get your point but disagree...i would be surprised if there are many teams that have a particular style that is replicated regardless of the team they put out or the competition they're in. i loved the idea of the 'villa engine' but such an idea is very difficult to implement, and frankly we have more pressing priorities right now. league results are the most important right now, nothing else 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: I'm still trying to get to the bottom of "why Bruce is the man". You could be here for a long time mate.. Bruce could lose the next 5 on the bounce but you can bet he would still be deemed the man to get us 'there or thereabouts' by some on here. - He's got 4 promotions to his name you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: You could be here for a long time mate.. Bruce could lose the next 5 on the bounce but you can bet he would still be deemed the man to get us 'there or thereabouts' by some on here. - He's got 4 promotions to his name you know! Oh here we go again, let's all play the silly game. We could win the next 5 on the bounce and you can bet he would still be deemed a dinosaur failure by some on here. Back to you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: You could be here for a long time mate.. Bruce could lose the next 5 on the bounce but you can bet he would still be deemed the man to get us 'there or thereabouts' by some on here. - He's got 4 promotions to his name you know! Well to be fair, that is an impressive number of promotions and it was nearly one more last season. I agree though the style of play the majority of the time is horrendous, but then occasionally we'll absolutely outplay a team, which makes us wonder why we can't always play like that. Unfortunately for us and Bruce, we came up against a team that could play football in Fulham last season. Also, credit where credit is due, we are fourth in the table and are currently unbeaten. So sacking him without a concrete plan on who to replace him would be the stupidest thing we could do. If we go on a streak of loses though we might have to take the risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: I'm still trying to get to the bottom of "why Bruce is the man". He's old fashioned and he's not a particularly good coach, Am I right so far? Im sure i heard, he knows the league like the back of his hand, and is the only man to get us out of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: I'm still trying to get to the bottom of "why Bruce is the man". He's old fashioned and he's not a particularly good coach, Am I right so far? Interesting to hear Collymore's comments on Twitter. Calling for Bruce to be sacked and a more modern coach to be installed. Called the performance, " scared, turgid, football. Also gave his thoughts on Dean Smith, said he was a good manager, who didn't suffer fools, but he doubted that we had the necessary infrastructure, that he would be comfortable working with. He's of the belief that there are dozens of young managers out there with great ideas, sadly he doesn't name one. You certainly can't fault his honesty or passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheStagMan Posted August 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Uncle Albert said: Im sure i heard, he knows the league like the back of his hand, and is the only man to get us out of this league. Also, he has united the dressing room and got rid of the loser mentality. I will have you know that no other manager in the world would have been able to achieve that, it really is quite a remarkable achievement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Interesting to hear Collymore's comments on Twitter. Calling for Bruce to be sacked and a more modern coach to be installed. Called the performance, " scared, turgid, football. Also gave his thoughts on Dean Smith, said he was a good manager, who didn't suffer fools, but he doubted that we had the necessary infrastructure, that he would be comfortable working with. He's of the belief that there are dozens of young managers out there with great ideas, sadly he doesn't name one. You certainly can't fault his honesty or passion. Indeed. He is still a complete bell end though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Oh here we go again, let's all play the silly game. We could win the next 5 on the bounce and you can bet he would still be deemed a dinosaur failure by some on here. Back to you. Is Bruce an old fashioned manager, and is he not a very good coach BfH&V? You're very dismissive of criticism of Bruce, but I want to hear you say why you think he's the man. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 For me the problems are fundamentals: We have bought decent players who for some reason are under performing....Why? We seem to think that rather than developing/improving players the better solution is to buy more....Why? When we pass and move we can beat teams easily, however we rarely do it....Why? We have cover in a number of positions, yet feel the better solution is to play players out of position....Why? We have players who seem on the surface to get on, yet seem like strangers on the pitch.....Why? We continuously change our starting 11 with some players of established quality totally ignored.....Why? To me the answer is Bruce, he has not attachment to this club, the fans or management, we are just a job and his planning and implementation is all short term. No longevity, no development, no building, NO FUTURE. At some point we need to have a plan, we simply cannot continue buying crap for the sake of keeping Bruce in a job, we are not getting better, we are compounding our previous cock ups and this will kill us as a club. We really need to start again and quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Oh here we go again, let's all play the silly game. We could win the next 5 on the bounce and you can bet he would still be deemed a dinosaur failure by some on here. Back to you. Because he is, we are not being fickle, he really is terrible and will not get us up never mind keep us there. We are gambling badly with the clubs future with Bruce!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted August 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2018 I think where we stand with Bruce/New owners is that this is the make or break season for him. As long as we are in with a mathematical shout of promotion or a play off place then he will remain, if it goes completely tits up by Christmas or earlier and it’s just clear we aren’t pushing to go up then he will be gone. Failure to get promoted come the end of the season and he will be gone. He’s here for a few months at least so we may as well calm down and hope for the best. Like I’ve always said, after the next few months if he remains in the job it’s because we are on course for promotion, if he is our manager next season then it’s because we in the PL. I’m not a fan of Steve but I’m relatively content with the above if that’s what the new owners are going with. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, macandally said: Because he is, we are not being fickle, he really is terrible and will not get us up never mind keep us there. We are gambling badly with the clubs future with Bruce!! No, no fickleness round here, none at all..........remember how much quieter the Bruce out noise was when we won 7 games in a row last season.........no fickleness whatsoever......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: No, no fickleness round here, none at all..........remember how much quieter the Bruce out noise was when we won 7 games in a row last season.........no fickleness whatsoever......... You don’t get promoted for winning 7 on the bounce, you get promoted for having the best combination of team, squad, approach and strategy. We are lacking in a number of those and a decent one off run in a crap league doesn’t disguise that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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