Jareth Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Stevo985 said: It’s 2018. Managers don’t handle transfers. TBF this was 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 7 hours ago, markavfc40 said: That is probably where we and a few others differ in that I don't think things have to improve for us to get promoted. If things stayed as they were from last season we'd be in with a great shout. From last season of the main players we have lost Johnstone, Terry, Snoddy and Grabban (for a half a season). On the other hand we hopefully get Grealish and Kodjia fit for the whole season and also Green who was out for much of last season and looks more than capable of being a handful for opposing teams at this level. We have also brought in a new keeper and I'd now expect we will also see a couple more come in Whilst we can debate till the cows come home why we fell just short last season be it the players, the manager, the system, fatigue, being too negative the facts are we sketgot with in a whisker of going up. It was so close that for me it isn't really worth going around in circles as to why we did fall short. You almost make it sound like bad luck played a part in us not going up. We didn't fall just short or within a whisker. It was in our own hands, let's not forget, but it slipped out, not because of bad luck, but because we were woeful, when it mattered most. A team deviod of momentum, with the finishing line in touching distance. It beggars belief, when you really think about it. We fell just short ? I really don't think so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: We fell just short ? I really don't think so. Yes, by one bit of poor covering by Adomah cost us. Fulham were a free flowing swashbuckling attacking machine and scored from one lapse in concentration in a half we were trying to contain (albeit dangerously) . It was a tight game of few chances, they got the break. We lost, end of. Should we have gotten automatic promotion? Big time yes but unfortunately other teams are capable of playing above themselves, the joy of football I suppose. And I suppose that's the reason the three teams who go up to the Premiership don't always go straight down again, there's too many variables in football, resources doesn't guarantee league position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, kiltorken said: Yes, by one bit of poor covering by Adomah cost us. Fulham were a free flowing swashbuckling attacking machine and scored from one lapse in concentration in a half we were trying to contain (albeit dangerously) . It was a tight game of few chances, they got the break. We lost, end of. Should we have gotten automatic promotion? Big time yes but unfortunately other teams are capable of playing above themselves, the joy of football I suppose. And I suppose that's the reason the three teams who go up to the Premiership don't always go straight down again, there's too many variables in football, resources doesn't guarantee league position. We were trying to contain ? We weren't even trying, we were woeful and inept, I'm still not over it, even today. Forget about other teams playing above themselves, like I said, it was in out own hand's, you get what you deserve over a season , hence, Hull ,away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, kiltorken said: Yes, by one bit of poor covering by Adomah cost us. Fulham were a free flowing swashbuckling attacking machine and scored from one lapse in concentration in a half we were trying to contain (albeit dangerously) . It was a tight game of few chances, they got the break. We lost, end of. Should we have gotten automatic promotion? Big time yes but unfortunately other teams are capable of playing above themselves, the joy of football I suppose. And I suppose that's the reason the three teams who go up to the Premiership don't always go straight down again, there's too many variables in football, resources doesn't guarantee league position. Its like Mark has said....its all gone, time to look forward. However, I seen it that we surrendered the Initiative to Fulham in the first half and only resurrected it in the second half, but they hung on.....We did that a few times in the season too, so it wasn't a one off. I think the mistake was a result of that......If you don't hit them, they will hit you....simples. over 46 games you usually finish where you deserve to. Edited July 29, 2018 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: We were trying to contain ? We weren't even trying, we were woeful and inept, I'm still not over it, even today. Forget about other teams playing above themselves, like I said, it was in out own hand's, you get what you deserve over a season , hence, Hull ,away. It's hard to disagree with you, we made a hash of it. The Bolton away game in the snow was a particular low point for me, absolute non show, but I still think warts and all he's the right choice for next season based on circumstances. Ironically enough I wouldn't be against wielding the axe on him next season if he won promotion, don't think he has the tools in his locker for kicking on in the premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: We were trying to contain ? We weren't even trying, we were woeful and inept, I'm still not over it, even today. Forget about other teams playing above themselves, like I said, it was in out own hand's, you get what you deserve over a season , hence, Hull ,away. Is there really any point in going over this again and again? That was last season, this is now. Blank sheet of paper, new hope, everything to play for, etc. Let’s not spend all our time on the misery memoir, eh? Time to look forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Let’s not spend all our time on the misery memoir, eh? This is an Aston villa forum isn't it? Edited July 29, 2018 by kiltorken 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Jareth said: TBF this was 2017 he will have certainly had a word with him but he would have had next to zero involvement regarding contract details...plus JT was a free agent, so he was allowed to have a chat with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 9 hours ago, briny_ear said: Blank sheet of paper But the same “artist” who year after year seems to paint pictures which are remarkably similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2018 11 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: You almost make it sound like bad luck played a part in us not going up. We didn't fall just short or within a whisker. It was in our own hands, let's not forget, but it slipped out, not because of bad luck, but because we were woeful, when it mattered most. A team deviod of momentum, with the finishing line in touching distance. It beggars belief, when you really think about it. We fell just short ? I really don't think so. We lost 1-0 in the playoff final. You literally can't get much closer than that. It wasn't good enough, we SHOULD have gone up, and Bruce is fully at fault for that. But there was some bad luck to it. Grealish and Kodjia missing big chunks of the season is a good example. At the end of the day 2 more victories in the season would probably have been enough (as I assume we'd have beaten Millwall on the final day if we'd needed to) This isn't an absolution of blame. 100% it's Bruce's fault. Especially after that Wolves' victory he shot himself in the foot and a better couple of games there could, and should, have seen us promoted. But you can't make out that we fell absolutely miles short, which seems to be what your post above is trying to do. We came about as close as you can possibly get without actually going up. Mark's point is an optimistic one that I'm not sure I agree with, but I can see why he's made it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, tomav84 said: he will have certainly had a word with him but he would have had next to zero involvement regarding contract details...plus JT was a free agent, so he was allowed to have a chat with him. But JT was probably our highest paid player last season, no way would the manager begin a dialogue not knowing if the wages could be done. For sure Round and Bruce had distinct roles but no way did they not talk money. And now there is no Steve Round. How we operate now and then is different, that was my only point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 10 hours ago, briny_ear said: Is there really any point in going over this again and again? That was last season, this is now. Blank sheet of paper, new hope, everything to play for, etc. Let’s not spend all our time on the misery memoir, eh? Time to look forward. Wait. Aren't we told that Bruce is a promotion specialist? Is that also too far in the past, or do we only forget failures 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Dick said: Wait. Aren't we told that Bruce is a promotion specialist? Is that also too far in the past, or do we only forget failures Yes, let’s do a deal. Let’s nobody mention anything about Bruce’s past and just focus on the season to come. We’ve just had a close encounter with administration and bankruptcy but we have new owners who seem pretty clued up so there is a lot to be hopeful about. We may even be keeping Jack! Miserablist droning about perceived past failures is strangling the sense of optimism that should be growing. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob182 Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 Hi guys, I've not read the thread for a few days so I don't know what's been discussed on this page or before, but I just want to say, remember when Bruce failed at that club he was at a few years ago? I, for one, would like to discuss that in length, if anyone else thinks that'd be a fun use of our time? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Yes, let’s do a deal. Let’s nobody mention anything about Bruce’s past and just focus on the season to come. We’ve just had a close encounter with administration and bankruptcy but we have new owners who seem pretty clued up so there is a lot to be hopeful about. We may even be keeping Jack! Miserablist droning about perceived past failures is strangling the sense of optimism that should be growing. Love this sentiment. Neeeeveeer gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 I really hope Bruce isn't the one making decisions on transfers. He wants Snodgrass back? Loved him last season but do we never learn? We are in the championship we can't be paying players £45k per week and gamble again that we go up. We need to build, coach players and produce a side who play a certain way and have an identity. I don't want a team full of moments. I want a team. It's why I am still gutted the man is still here. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, omariqy said: I really hope Bruce isn't the one making decisions on transfers. He wants Snodgrass back? Loved him last season but do we never learn? We are in the championship we can't be paying players £45k per week and gamble again that we go up. We need to build, coach players and produce a side who play a certain way and have an identity. I don't want a team full of moments. I want a team. It's why I am still gutted the man is still here. I do not disagree. It seems like we have been building in the sand for the last ten years; the odd moment, an exceptional talent or two to carry the team (until they are sold), short term and erratic decision making especially when signing players and managers. Do not get me wrong, even the best of people will make mistakes, but we have committed the same errors over and over. I crave for consistency. I want a club/ team identity that is built around our academy players, shrewd scouting and top class coaching with the occasional marque signing. Over to you Nassef and Wes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, omariqy said: I really hope Bruce isn't the one making decisions on transfers. He wants Snodgrass back? Loved him last season but do we never learn? We are in the championship we can't be paying players £45k per week and gamble again that we go up. We need to build, coach players and produce a side who play a certain way and have an identity. I don't want a team full of moments. I want a team. It's why I am still gutted the man is still here. I'm amazed you couldn't see that in evidence last season. We won and lost as a team in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Maybe there won’t be as much pressure on the team to get top 2 this season and it will work in our favour. Last season when it looked like we couldn’t make top 2 the team seemed to play with a lot more freedom. It seemed to be the high pressure games that the team were expected to win that they’d cave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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