Popular Post The_Rev Posted July 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2016 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: "There are decades when nothing happens. There are weeks when decades happen" -Vladimir Lenin I always said he was the most talented Beatle. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted July 16, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2016 Erdogan had the best night of his career - those that opposed him were tempted out of hiding, those that support him were victorious against his enemy, he got the support of the US government and much of the Western world, the democratic leader of a country got the people of that country out in force on the streets thanks in no small part to a majority religion in a secular country, a religion he shares and advocates, his military opponents have been removed, his political opponents weakened, his position amongst the people strengthened. He now has a mandate to do what he's been desperate to do for a decade and change the Turkish constitution - doubtless referencing this coup attempt and attacks on the forces of democracy as reasons for adjustments which overwrite the principles of Ataturk. It couldn't have worked out better for him if he'd planned it himself - which quite frankly I wouldn't put past him. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Erdogan had the best night of his career - those that opposed him were tempted out of hiding, those that support him were victorious against his enemy, he got the support of the US government and much of the Western world, the democratic leader of a country got the people of that country out in force on the streets thanks in no small part to a majority religion in a secular country, a religion he shares and advocates, his military opponents have been removed, his political opponents weakened, his position amongst the people strengthened. He now has a mandate to do what he's been desperate to do for a decade and change the Turkish constitution - doubtless referencing this coup attempt and attacks on the forces of democracy as reasons for adjustments which overwrite the principles of Ataturk. It couldn't have worked out better for him if he'd planned it himself - which quite frankly I wouldn't put past him. . . . is the best analysis I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 26 minutes ago, The_Rev said: I always said he was the most talented Beatle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Erdogan had the best night of his career - those that opposed him were tempted out of hiding, those that support him were victorious against his enemy, he got the support of the US government and much of the Western world, the democratic leader of a country got the people of that country out in force on the streets thanks in no small part to a majority religion in a secular country, a religion he shares and advocates, his military opponents have been removed, his political opponents weakened, his position amongst the people strengthened. He now has a mandate to do what he's been desperate to do for a decade and change the Turkish constitution - doubtless referencing this coup attempt and attacks on the forces of democracy as reasons for adjustments which overwrite the principles of Ataturk. It couldn't have worked out better for him if he'd planned it himself - which quite frankly I wouldn't put past him. So the question is, was he somehow behind it? Same has been speculated (mostly by tin foil hat people) about some of the domestic terror attacks that led to the new election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Its quite interesting that the Obama administration has come out against the coup. Most of the people I know, liberal or conservative, were actually pretty supportive of the coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: Its quite interesting that the Obama administration has come out against the coup. Most of the people I know, liberal or conservative, were actually pretty supportive of the coup. They also waited to show support until it was clear the coupe would fail. Think they will support the side who wins, regardless. For stability sake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 16, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2016 Kerry's first comments were incredibly vague and non-committal to anything, really. Most of the West wouldn't shed a tear for Erdogan if he went. They know he's playing games, they know he's amongst the most two faced politicians in power today, they know he's actively helping those he purports to war against in one way or another, and they know he's using this conflict to feather his own bed and his own aims and ambitions, such as further putting down the Kurds. But they need to save face and be careful what they encourage. Had the coup been successful there would be a measured but supportive response for the new regime. As it is, this has failed, and this is other downside of a coup. If it goes wrong, it's invariably unpleasant to say the least. These men are going to see the full weight of Erdogan's ire. They're already discussing reintroducing the death penalty. I wouldn't bet against the plotters being on the wrong end of a noose. Meanwhile Erdogan doubles down to prevent this ever happening again. He's already got the Turkish military top brass riddled with cronies, and has hoovered power from his underlings. He's basically a proto dictator. This might be the chrysalis to go full fledged, introduce constitutional reform, and before you know it you've got a pretty large powerful nation with an Islamist hardline bent chiseled into it's foundations. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Kids from my school are currently at Space Camp in Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Erdogan closing (temporarily?) the Incirlik air force base that the US uses to bomb Daesh from. Be interesting to see how Nato reacts to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Conspiracy theories flooding some forums about the timeline of events yesterday and today. I kind of have to agree a little bit. Seems very staged. A lot of military men have been played it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 The timeline is quite interesting. According to Erdogan, they bombed his holiday villa after he left it. It was during this time that various vague statements were made, and then when it's known that they didn't get him, statements left, right and center. Very, very murky happenings here. Poor Turkey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) It does look a bit suspicious when it was apparently a military coup by only a small minority of soldiers, yet since then over 2000 judges have been removed from duty, along with other various high ranking judiciary officials. Most likely Erdogan just taking advantage of the situation though to purge elements that don't agree with him. Edited July 16, 2016 by andym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 So it was all staged? I've never seen a coup so easily defeated. Staged fo sho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 17, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2016 It's interesting to see the media reaction swing again - the message in the media last night was about Erdogan being vulnerable, about him having to now find ways to heal and build bridges or be in a difficult spot - I'm not sure that matches conditions on the ground and I'm interested in what's behind the message were being fed. The US reaction to the suggestion from within Turkey that the coup was (at the very least) founded on US soil by the Turkish cleric there is also interesting, they've gone from their initial "errm"to "we support the democratically elected to government of Mr Erdogan" to "watch yourself sunshine". The US likes controlled dictators in key strategic countries that aren't westernised - I think an emboldened Erdogan threatens to push against that control and there's an interesting balance going on at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 17, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2016 I'm surprised no fingers are being pointed towards Putin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrisp65 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I'm not suggesting Erdogan is in any way a good man, a democrat or a progressive. But we know nothing of what the coup leaders would have caused in that country. To simply want change without knowing what that change would be suggests that as a 'culture' we have absolutely no ability to learn any lessons from recent or historic experience. To do the same thing and expect different results.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Apparently there is a coup unfolding in Armenia as we speak. Quote One person has reportedly been killed and a number of people wounded after the building in the capital Yerevan was stormed by gunmen Gunman have stormed the police headquarters in Armenia leading to fears of an attempted coup in the country. One person has reportedly been killed and a number of people wounded at the building in the capital Yerevan. It is also being reported that a number of people have been taken hostage, including the local police chief. Snipers have been seen gathering near the building and locals have complained that Facebook has been taken down. It is thought the gunmen are demanding the release of Armenian opposition figure Jirair Sefilyan. He has previously called for a "change of power" and an "armed rebellion" in the country. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/armenia-attempted-coup-gunmen-storm-8436891 Edited July 17, 2016 by sexbelowsound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 6 hours ago, TrentVilla said: I'm surprised no fingers are being pointed towards Putin.... They kissed and made up to put Russians back on Turkish beaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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