blandy Posted March 24, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 24, 2019 30 minutes ago, villarocker said: .... rigged voting. There have been voting scandals all over the world in the past .... I believe the original vote should be honoured.... The leave vote should stand. The problem isn't that we were lied to....We've been cheated and lied to by our MP's and government. There’s some contradictions in your post, vr. You mention concern about rigged voting so we shouldn’t vote again. We know the last vote was subject to criminal actions. You say the problem isn’t that we were lied to, the problem is that we’re being lied to. Fwiw, we have been lied to, continually, for 3 years and longer. Because of all the lies and dishonesty is a big part of why we’re all so angry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xann Posted March 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2019 16 hours ago, chrisp65 said: you been out much today @Xann ? Yeah Took She Who Doesn't Like Crowds this time, so it was march lite. Lunch in town then joined at Traf Square. We must have joined pretty much as that big aerial shot by the Beeb was taken. There was space on Whitehall at around 3. We managed to get to Parliament Square via the embankment, then fled across the water. Couldn't get anywhere near PS last time, had assumed there was less numbers. Didn't realise it was still backed up to Park Lane! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, ml1dch said: I'd argue that's the wrong way round. A leave option that could pass Parliament doesn't need the additional faff of the referendum. It just passes and we deal with the consequences of that decision, for good or (inevitably) ill. That’s the big concern for me that I keep reading Tory MP’s will back Mays deal if she resigns straight after That still leaves a shit deal but one that has then passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Genie said: I agree, there’s also no point in pretending anymore that we might “no deal”. It obviously not going to happen. Best route out of the mess as I see it. 1) TM agrees with MP’s that if the public vote for her deal they concur it 2) It goes to the public, remain or May’s deal to leave being only options. 3) Implement the result rapidly. How can you put a deal twice rejected by Parliament as the option ? Arguably its already tainted in the eyes of the public i could see a case for a deal approved by Parliament v Remain perhaps but even then it would raise more questions than answer Edited March 24, 2019 by tonyh29 Edit - remain not leave , D’oh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 What are you going to do with all those commemorative coins stamped with the 29th of March? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, LondonLax said: What are you going to do with all those commemorative coins stamped with the 29th of March? They haven’t been made yet so still time to change the date ... or the message , perhaps we could hold a referendum on what it should say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 24, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 24, 2019 A short musical interlude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ml1dch Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: I could see a case for a deal approved by Parliament v Leave perhaps but even then it would raise more questions than answer The deal approved by Parliament is "leave". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The deal approved by Parliament is "leave". Well spotted ... I meant remain of course editted my original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 hours ago, villarocker said: If we had a leader who was pro-brexit we would have had plans in place immediately for a no deal and the EU would have had to take a much softer stance in the withdrawal agreement. You do know Theresa May set the red lines right? The EU couldn't go softer without having FoM in there, which TM ruled out. Delusional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted March 24, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, snowychap said: 7 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted March 24, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Hero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 24, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 24, 2019 I see what they did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Sorry for such along thread, but I think this is really quite good for capturing the state of the Conservative Party today: So much of this is so totally mutually contradictory, it's worth savouring in its entirety. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Brexit has exposed how weak the consensus is in these huge political parties. If they broke up, and we had PR and a government through consensus, it'd almost make all of this madness worth it. that's about as likely as May admitting she's made a mistake though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 8 hours ago, villarocker said: That's all well and good if you believe that a "Leave" outcome wouldn't be overruled by rigged voting. There have been voting scandals all over the world in the past so I wouldn't put it past this government, or even moreso, this bunch of MP's, to rig a result in their favour and say that we've voted to remain. I do not trust any of our current parliamentarians so that is why I believe the original vote should be honoured. I mean, I wasn't happy that the Tories got in a the last General Election but I didn't go running around screaming for another vote on it. The leave vote should stand. The problem isn't that we were lied to. The problem is that the corrupt government, aided and abetted by the corrupt MP's, have failed to prepare our country for a no deal scenario. The EU knows this and it's their bargaining chip against us and has allowed them to propose a really shitty withdrawal agreement that ties us to them indefinitely. If we had a leader who was pro-brexit we would have had plans in place immediately for a no deal and the EU would have had to take a much softer stance in the withdrawal agreement. We've been cheated and lied to by our MP's and government. How it be rigged when most of said that it’s too big for any government to properly take us out within two years? Its going as exactly I thought it would a complete and utter mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 From May to Gove. Privatize Brexit is the only solution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 24, 2019 Having just seen that BBC aerial footage, that's more than a million people 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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