bickster Posted September 13, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: There might be some space to rent on the big high streets soon. There's plenty of space already, even the bookies are closing shops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 13, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Reneging on paying would also not be a great look for any negotiations with anyone going forward - who wants to trust someone ready to ditch their word at the first chance? But we're British, our word is without reproach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 13, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2018 Not shocked at all by this. She's the human intellect equivalent of a pheasant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Chindie said: Reneging on paying would also not be a great look for any negotiations with anyone going forward - who wants to trust someone ready to ditch their word at the first chance? Genuine question - has anyone seen anything authoritative on whether doing so would constitute a technical default? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 14, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted September 14, 2018 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Genuine question - has anyone seen anything authoritative on whether doing so would constitute a technical default? Yeah. House of Lords legal review thing. We don’t have any legal obligation to pay. Would link but pressed for time. Google will surely find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, blandy said: Yeah. House of Lords legal review thing. We don’t have any legal obligation to pay. Would link but pressed for time. Google will surely find it. That's the problem with supranational affairs though. One country doesn't get to decide for everyone. If the Commission decided to run it's own "legal review", it's probably going to come down on the side of "yes, these chumps do need to cough up". Although I'm not sure that it even matters (not saying that you're suggesting that it does) whether it is seen as a "technical default". The other 27 countries say that we owe this money, and they are going to be the ones filling the hole if they don't get it. They're the same 27 countries on whose goodwill and cooperation we need if this is going to be elevated from "catastrophe" to "shambles". Us waving around a HoL review and saying "buuuut, technically" isn't going to have much sway in real terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 My word, Tim Martin is a moron. The fact that Leave roll him out as a champion of their cause shows how stupid their cause is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 14, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 14, 2018 This story should be huge. Read whole thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 14, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, bickster said: This story should be huge. Read whole thread Narrator - It wasn't. Unfortunately nothing will happen. A token resignation or 2, and swept away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, Chindie said: Narrator - It wasn't. I'm going to wait for Bob Loblaw's Law Blog before I jump to any conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VILLAMARV Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Quote The right-wing interior ministers of Austria and Italy have called on the EU to hold rescued migrants at sea until their asylum claims are processed. Austria's Herbert Kickl put forward the idea at an EU migration conference in Vienna and his Italian counterpart, Matteo Salvini, supported it. Hundreds of thousands of migrants try to reach the EU in risky sea crossings. Mr Kickl said ships would use a "quick way" to clarify who was entitled to asylum but he did not give details. Mr Salvini is under investigation in Italy for refusing to let rescued migrants disembark in Italy last month. Prosecutors in Sicily have opened an inquiry into possible illegal confinement, illegal arrest and abuse of power. Outlining his plan at a joint news conference with Mr Salvini on Friday Mr Kickl said that after "appropriate checks" on board ship, those migrants entitled to asylum could be brought to the EU while the rest would be taken to "safe ports" in third countries. "You are well looked after on a ship," Mr Kickl said, adding that the system would help solve the "problem of repatriation". "Once people have set foot on the continent, you can only remove them with great difficulty and much expense," he told reporters. He said EU asylum policy should aim to make it "impossible to claim asylum except from outside the EU, and that claims be decided outside the EU". Mr Salvini said he was absolutely in favour of the plan. Italy is one of the main entry points for migrants making the dangerous journey across the Mediterranean with the hope of a new life in the EU. However, the Austrian office of the medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) condemned the idea. "This proposal is simply another attempt to distract attention from the real issue, namely the inability of Europe and of Austria's EU presidency to find a sustainable solution to the humanitarian crisis in the central Mediterranean and Libya," the group said in a statement. It urged EU leaders to "put the protection of human life at the centre of their efforts". Since 2014, more than 640,000 migrants have landed on Italy's shores. Although many have since left for other countries, some remain. The UN says that more than 1,600 people have lost their lives trying to cross into Europe in 2018, despite overall numbers being down. In July, 450 migrants were allowed to disembark in Sicily once France, Germany, Malta, Portugal and Spain had agreed to take 50 migrants each. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45528158 So after getting his Reception Centres approved by the EU, Salvini now wants to stop people actually reaching them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Perhaps we should also be employing a Churchill lookalikee to do the Brexit negotiations. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 16, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2018 51 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Perhaps we should also be employing a Churchill lookalikee to do the Brexit negotiations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 16, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2018 Read the whole thread. Very interesting conclusions as to which and why opinions are changing. The poll itself does admit its own flaws, one being that the panel included slightly more people who originally voted remain so this skews results slightly. But the overall conclusion is that opinions have changed. It reckons 12% of leavers have switched with 6% of remainders moving in the opposite direction. It also seems to suggest that original abstainers are leaning to remain. It thinks the Leave side is softening on a number of issues including immigration whilst the Remain side remains steadfast or has possibly hardened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Michael Gove has said that it doesn't really matter what agreement we come to, we'll just change it later. Now we just need to hope that nobody in Europe has access to the Andrew Marr Show and thinks to bring this up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 16, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Michael Gove has said that it doesn't really matter what agreement we come to, we'll just change it later. Now we just need to hope that nobody in Europe has access to the Andrew Marr Show and thinks to bring this up. And that’s not even the worst thing he said today but that’s for another topic 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Crikey, I've just switched on Good Morning Britain to see Nigel Farage and Piers Morgan on the same show. Perhaps Europe are better off without us afterall. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, PompeyVillan said: Crikey, I've just switched on Good Morning Britain to see Nigel Farage and Piers Morgan on the same show. Perhaps Europe are better off without us afterall. Joking aside. I think more and more Europeans are starting to think this unfortunately. They see us much as an adult looks at a mardie child, constantly stamping its feet and screaming how unfair it is that they can’t always have their own way. Many of them now will be happy to see us toddle off to the corner of the room to play with our broken toys, while they get on with creating the most powerful economic bloc in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, meregreen said: Joking aside. I think more and more Europeans are starting to think this unfortunately. They see us much as an adult looks at a mardie child, constantly stamping its feet and screaming how unfair it is that they can’t always have their own way. Many of them now will be happy to see us toddle off to the corner of the room to play with our broken toys, while they get on with creating the most powerful economic bloc in the world. Having spent a bit of time in Holland last month, I can confirm this is correct. Actually, on reflection it's simpler than that - they just think we are morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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