Chindie Posted September 19, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 19, 2018 The Belgian incident was the Canada deal iirc. Wallonia refused to agree the deal at the last minute and nearly scuppered the entire thing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 19, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, Chindie said: The Belgian incident was the Canada deal iirc. Wallonia refused to agree the deal at the last minute and nearly scuppered the entire thing. Ah yes, thanks for the correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 May's big pitch to the other 27 countries tonight apparently, referring to the proposed Irish sea border is "how would you feel if your country were carved in two?" That's to a room including the heads of state of Ireland, Germany, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Slovakia... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2018 Macron goes for the jugular. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, Chindie said: Macron goes for the jugular. Well he's certainly right that it was supported by liars, but he seems to have misunderstood who resigned after the vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Well he's certainly right that it was supported by liars, but he seems to have misunderstood who resigned after the vote. I think he's talking about Farridge. The bigger news is that they didn't even really give her much in the way of nice words (as they were expected to) to help get her through conference. Chequers is now a bludgeoned mess on the floor. May seemed really angry in her press conference. Fun times ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Was it only Monday when she said it was either Chequers or no deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, snowychap said: Was it only Monday when she said it was either Chequers or no deal? In fairness you could hear the reversing beep even as she said it. Chequers won't work. The best the EU can say about it is it's a step in the right direction. Her Twitter had a plea to Labour to rule out a second referendum earlier. What money an election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 20, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 20, 2018 Chequers Play Pops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 20, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2018 On brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Chindie said: In fairness you could hear the reversing beep even as she said it. Chequers won't work. The best the EU can say about it is it's a step in the right direction. Her Twitter had a plea to Labour to rule out a second referendum earlier. What money an election? You could but you do have to wonder why she said it when it was very likely to end up like this a couple of days later. Raab C Brexit wrote to Keir Starmer (Dear Mr. Starmer, ....) yesterday (?) asking him to 'clarify Labour's position' which suggests that he was after some tips, didn't have much to do (well they've published most of the no deal papers and he has sod all to do with any negotiating, does he?) or thought that Labour was in government. How do we get to an election, though? Consensus for another early election would not look great for either major party, I don't think. So would she have to put a vote of no confidence and then lose it and parliament go through the shenanigans of Labour spending a couple of weeks at least appearing to try and form a government and then look to call an election? If the latter, then we're looking at the end of Nov. That could only really mean one thing, I'd guess: Tories under a different leader (which itself would take time) run on a manifesto of 'no deal unless we can get something good' (i.e. Mogg/Johnson/Davis) versus Labour actually coming out and saying extended A50 period until we can actually get the deal that we want. Otherwise, if both parties ran on the kinds of confused, mixed message platforms they have now then there'd be nothing different from where we are and people might quite rightly ask what they're doing wasting time going through an election campaign when there's a deadline of next March fast approaching. I just don't see how we get to another election before March next year - but predicting anything is a mug's game so don't take any of the above as anything more than chucking darts over my shoulder with my back to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Is the penny finally dropping? This was never a negotiation. There was nothing to negotiate. No deal disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 06/01/2017 at 18:08, Enda said: Oh and one last thing on the economics predictions. As Awol is so keen to reference, the most pessimistic mainline projection for post-Brexit economy was the Treasury's. If I'm not mistaken, they predicted that post-Brexit UK GDP would be 1.5% lower (than it would be without Brexit) after eighteen months. That's not the dire prediction the media are portraying it as. Remember all the laughing at Project Fear when Treasury suggested that Brexit would UK would be 1.5% worse off after eighteen months? Real wages in the UK have fallen slightly since the Brexit vote, while Ireland's have increased about 5%. Obviously Ireland's not a perfect comparison to the UK, but it should be food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 To add of balance to the "they're all just a bunch of c***s" side, how much of a dick do you have be to post this on your Instagram account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, ml1dch said: To add of balance to the "they're all just a bunch of c***s" side, how much of a dick do you have be to post this on your Instagram account? We've made ourselves into the laughing stock of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Chindie said: Macron goes for the jugular. Whether it’s true or not it’s not particularly helpful, it just gives the Brexit politicians a chance to play to their base. It sounds like Macon is feeling the heat back home and has let frustrations get the better of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Whether it’s true or not it’s not particularly helpful, it just gives the Brexit politicians a chance to play to their base. It probably does, but it's not really his problem is it? If there is any one country in the 27 that is quite chipper about seeing us have our face rubbed in the dirt over this, it's France. They're pretty much the only ones openly talking about how the UK's humiliation can benefit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted September 21, 2018 Administrator Share Posted September 21, 2018 10 hours ago, ml1dch said: It probably does, but it's not really his problem is it? If there is any one country in the 27 that is quite chipper about seeing us have our face rubbed in the dirt over this, it's France. They're pretty much the only ones openly talking about how the UK's humiliation can benefit them. I've spend about 4 weeks this year in France. I've not seen nor heard what you describe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I see May is this morning relying on Chris Failing and James Brokenrecord to defend her position. I almost feel a twinge of sympathy for her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 21, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, peterms said: I see May is this morning relying on Chris Failing and James Brokenrecord to defend her position. I almost feel a twinge of sympathy for her. Probably stomach cramps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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