Zatman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just now, Stevo985 said: No but a right back, and a striker, and a midfielder might. plus 2 centre halfs, a goalkeeper and a winger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2016 You're probably right, but it's as if people don't even want the club to try. We shouldn't be spunking 10s of millions on signings to try and stay up. Similarly we shouldn't be doing nothing. The club appear to be trying to do something in between. Give us half a chance by signing decent players on short term deals. It's relatively cheap, it adds quality to the squad, albeit temporarily, and it might give us a chance of staying up WITHOUT burdening us with huge contracts and transfer fees 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cudoz Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Among our many problems this year has been individual mistakes leading to goals (see Hutton) and the inability of our defence to keep things tight. Whilst we have improved this over recent games, there remains room for improvement and Debuchy will be a step up on Bacuna, Richards or Hutton in this position. That being said, we definitely need reinforcement in attacking areas, but any reinforcement in those areas would mean little if we revert to type and concede 2+ silly goals a game. I don't mind this signing, so long as we also sign reinforcements up front. If this is the only signing then it would do little to help in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: because its a pointless signing in our position if it wont be long term. a right back is not going to save our season, if we signed Philip Lahm it wont help us become much that better team to keep us up How is it a pointless signing? We're a club battling to stay in the Premier League. Doing nothing (still likely :D) would be bad - but at the same time, we cannot afford to invest £50m in problem areas. Loan signings like this are exactly the sort we should be making IMO. You seemingly want us to do nothing at all and accept our fate. Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2016 The mental changes, positive mentality gained, from the forwards not shitting bricks about losing the ball as the defence may just choose that moment to have a brain fart and give a goal away, which a solid and well organised defence will bring, can't be underestimated. If Garde can continue what does actually appear to be good work with the back 4 and we do manage to keep some clean sheets in a run of games, I think you might see more midfielders getting forward and helping out and some more risks being taken from the likes of Gil, Grealish, Troare or even Ayew (though to be fair he has looked very bright of late). All of that woudl help either Kozak/Gestede or our shiney new centre forward (cough) to score. Just going out and signing a forward or two might not have the same effect. IMO we need left and right fullbacks, a defensive midfielder who specialises there and a striker. Signing Debuchy is a good start surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Makes absolute sense to me. Not crazy money, improves us at the back, not necessarily long term. He has something to prove, we still have a (slim) chance of survival. In the summer we can cut our cloth according to where we end up. If we've miraculously survived and he's played a part in our 17 game run without conceding a goal, goes to the euros etc then yay! If not, he can bugger off and we can buy some clogger / be left with Hutton / bring through a kid for the Championship. All supposing he decides he's up for the challenge... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, bobzy said: How is it a pointless signing? We're a club battling to stay in the Premier League. Doing nothing (still likely :D) would be bad - but at the same time, we cannot afford to invest £50m in problem areas. Loan signings like this are exactly the sort we should be making IMO. You seemingly want us to do nothing at all and accept our fate. Odd. We should be putting all our energy into getting a striker as thats the only chance we have of survival our defence is on par with bottom 6 clubs but our attack is behind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Zatman said: We should be putting all our energy into getting a striker as thats the only chance we have of survival our defence is on par with bottom 6 clubs but our attack is behind We probably are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I dont think we are, Remi seems quite open talking about targets and we havent been linked with one since Remy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Zatman said: We should be putting all our energy into getting a striker as thats the only chance we have of survival our defence is on par with bottom 6 clubs but our attack is behind It's one link mate. And a strange one to dismiss given the mistakes Mr. Hutton has made this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieVillan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 My worry would be that we are putting all of our eggs in the Debuchy basket while he keeps us hanging. If he decides at the end of the window he doesn't fancy it, then do we have a backup? Or are we stuck with Hutton and Bacuna, or Richards? My personal view is that Bacuna is doing fine now and should start every game as he gives us something going forward that we need - width. We don't have any width in the rest of the team, and if we are playing with Kozak and Gestede, Bacuna is currently the only player in our squad who can cross the ball from wide. If we sign Debuchy, then I would play Bacuna on the right of the midfield diamond with Veretout taking Gil's place at the tip. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Its worth noting it'll be easier to attract players next season if/when we go down. At the moment we're as near a certainty for relegation as you can get, meaning that players are more likely to join any other prem team or even a few championship teams if they want a crack at the PL next season. Next year we'll be considered a big team in the Championship and one of the fsvourites, highly rated aspiring PL players will probably prefer to join us than just about anyone down there, as well as a few PL clubs considered shoe ins for relegation. With that in mind let's try and bring players in (be it on loan or whatever) with a mind to staying up this year, I'm not talking about bankrupting us and spunking £100 million up the wall, but a few experienced PL players that, worst case scenario will go back to their parent clubs or can be sold for a virtually identical value in the summer, then we can worry about "building for the Championship" when we're actually there, when we'll actually be able to attract players easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I'll elaborate. If they didn't sign anyone of Premier League quality, it would be seen as throwing in the towel already and the board would be chastised by those who believe we have a chance of staying up. Stop living in the past. It's almost as if they are different people with different opinions saying those things You quoted my opinion and the first word you wrote was "No" Don't be a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2016 56 minutes ago, Zatman said: I dont think we are, Remi seems quite open talking about targets and we havent been linked with one since Remy No he doesn't. He hasn't been open about targets since about the first day of the window. In his last press conference he point blank refused to talk about transfers. I think he got a slap on the wrist, judging by his comments, about what he said about Remy early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 This deal needs doing before the weekend preferably. We should not be willing to wait until the last day as he may well change his mind at the last moment and sign for someone else leaving us with an unused loan at the end of the month. I assume he did not play in the FA Cup so that he would be free to do so for us or someone else. He has not played many games this season but nor did Cissokho and he was able to hit the ground running. Come on Mathieu its time for making your mind up to quote Bucks Fizz from our league championship winning year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 40 minutes ago, troon_villan said: You quoted my opinion and the first word you wrote was "No" Don't be a hypocrite. Insults seem the norm on this site the last few days. Where is it hypocritical to point out that your specific post about something Pilchard said was wrong. That a specific post you had made was wrong and then to pick you up on making a generic point (or attempting to make a point) about an opinion maybe being expressed by some people that the club is not doing any business and tying that into a point where some people are criticising the club for making this signing as if they are the same people and me clarfying to you that they maybe (and in fact in some cases are) different people. Are you having an issue understanding that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Will be a good signing that will boost our survival chances. We can worry about the championship when we're a championship club. In the mean time I say we get all the premier league quality players we can, as long as it doesn't cripple us financially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, Richard said: Insults seem the norm on this site the last few days. You do seem to be the common denominator Richard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 For every insult currently flying around this site? What can I say? if people dont want me to pick them up on being wrong they should be careful; before they post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, troon_villan said: I'll elaborate. If they didn't sign anyone of Premier League quality, it would be seen as throwing in the towel already and the board would be chastised by those who believe we have a chance of staying up. Stop living in the past. Seeing as it was my post you quoted...Not by me it wouldn't. We are relegated, gone. This season is no more than a number of friendlies. We should be using this window to clear out as much crap as possible to save the job in the summer and ideally bringing in some players for next year's challenge in the Championship. And I don't think loaning a player who clearly doesn't want to really come from the manager's mate for the next six months is something that will help that challenge. I have similar thoughts about the suggested Sane deal. Edited January 19, 2016 by Pilchard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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