AntrimBlack Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: I'd say the chances you mentioned for us, aren't usually chances that end in the net. The chances they missed are. I wouldn't say its luck. De Jong being shit is more to do his lack of form than just pure luck. Other teams do miss chances but the ones in the 3 games we've drawn have been some truly shocking ones. I think it's a concern than we're only picking up a draw in games where the opposition miss absolute sitters. Perhaps Garde is a lucky manager. That would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Are they failing because they are garbage? Or are they failing because we are making life difficult for them? I was thinking that both Southampton and Newcastle missed a number of clear chances that could have put those games beyond our reach. Southampton are on a terrible run - even worse than ours over the last six or so games. We are one of the few clubs who failed to beat them during that run. Newcastle, I think we can take a bit more credit for the way we played in the second half but still their inability to score more was down to their own failings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 You need to add into the equation that whilst they may have missed chances, we have also given teams silly, lucky (for them) goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2015 Gestede had two good headers that were well saved. Veretout had a very good shot again saved well. Gestede was inches from putting in an Ayew cross. Ayew was inches from laying it on a plate to gestede/Gana (can't remember who) for a tap in after he'd got to the byeline. They weren't as good as the De Jong chance. But so what? They're still good chances that we missed. You'd think from this thread that other teams only ever miss chances against Villa. Luck is bollocks. The only thing it's good for is using it to suit your own argument. The game was 1-1, and on balance it was probably what we deserved from the game. My point is if you start saying "oh well Newcastle missed a chance that could have won it for them so we're lucky" then you have to apply the same logic to the chances we missed. I'd say the chances you mentioned for us, aren't usually chances that end in the net. The chances they missed are. I wouldn't say its luck. De Jong being shit is more to do his lack of form than just pure luck. Other teams do miss chances but the ones in the 3 games we've drawn have been some truly shocking ones. I think it's a concern than we're only picking up a draw in games where the opposition miss absolute sitters. I think your first paragraph is rubbish, to be honest. I'd expect one of those chances we created to go in under normal circumstances, definitely. You only have to look at some of Leicester's recent goals, one of them literally just hit Mahrez and bounced off him into the net, not that I want to downplay their success, only to say if we keep creating like that the goals will come. It's called rub of the green and when it's not going for you there's not an awful lot you can do about it except keep looking for it. A draw was a fair result, but 2-2 would have been a fairer scoreline, IMO. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) 2 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I think your first paragraph is rubbish, to be honest. I'd expect one of those chances we created to go in under normal circumstances, definitely. You only have to look at some of Leicester's recent goals, one of them literally just hit Mahrez and bounced off him into the net, not that I want to downplay their success, only to say if we keep creating like that the goals will come. It's called rub of the green and when it's not going for you there's not an awful lot you can do about it except keep looking for it. A draw was a fair result, but 2-2 would have been a fairer scoreline, IMO. Fair enough. You can. I don't think any of our chances could be compared to that chance which should have ended the game at 2-0. It's good that we've started creating more and looking more dangerous, I'm not confident we'll keep it up. I do also agree a draw was a fair result. Edited December 23, 2015 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) Its funny how the luckiest teams are usually at the top and the unluckiest at the bottom. its called creating your own luck.....through good play. Edited December 24, 2015 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sheepyvillian Posted December 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2015 I love the respect this man has for words , never superfluous always measured , and I think he truly believes that no virtue has it's reward like patience . He strikes me as a man who doesn't suffer fools , hence bye bye Gabby . I remember Saunders getting pelters when the likes of Gray and Gidman were shown the door , but in the end he was proven right because how do you harness talent without self - discipline ? No , I firmly believe that we have petentally a great manager on our hands , and I for one am right behind him . 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 On 23/12/2015 at 17:33, Sam3773 said: If this happens, I'll present Match of the Day in just my boxers. Gary... Is that you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 11 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: I love the respect this man has for words , never superfluous always measured , and I think he truly believes that no virtue has it's reward like patience . He strikes me as a man who doesn't suffer fools , hence bye bye Gabby . I remember Saunders getting pelters when the likes of Gray and Gidman were shown the door , but in the end he was proven right because how do you harness talent without self - discipline ? No , I firmly believe that we have petentally a great manager on our hands , and I for one am right behind him . Didn't they want to leave because of Saunders rather than him showing them the door? Anyway I think its far too soon to suggest he might a great manager for us. The jury is still very much out on him in my view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) It's a bit early for people to call him not good enough as well. Edited December 25, 2015 by sexbelowsound 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 2 hours ago, PaulC said: Didn't they want to leave because of Saunders rather than him showing them the door? Anyway I think its far too soon to suggest he might a great manager for us. The jury is still very much out on him in my view! Andy Gray wanted to leave and join the glamourous Wolverampton Wanderers ? YOW must be bonkers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 3 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: Andy Gray wanted to leave and join the glamourous Wolverampton Wanderers ? YOW must be bonkers . To pay debts he had for the holy city zoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Is that right, I thought he said that he wanted away because he no longer got on with the Manager but he certainly wasn't kicked out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 10 hours ago, PaulC said: In Gray's autobiography he claims Saunders considered him a bad egg and also that Dennis Mortimer was a Saunders favourite , and alluded to him being an instigator in his departure . Whatever the truth , the fact Gray still bleeds claret and blue to this day speaks volumes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 When Gray commentated on Sky he was far from claret and blue and before say he was being unbiased. He loved Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: When Gray commentated on Sky he was far from claret and blue and before say he was being unbiased. He loved Everton He turned the Everton job down and is on record as saying Villa is the only club he would of managed . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Theres conflicting stories but his son is a big Villa fan. Anyway best to get the thread back on track. The next few games may well define Garde as a manager here. Yes he hasn't had much time but we need to show an improvement in results and performance from the previous manager even if staying up is a forlorn hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I don't know how anyone can tell what remi is about yet. We had three years of Lambert and I still have No idea about what he was trying to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mallett Posted December 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2015 Some thoughts on our manager and other things: I like lots that Garde is doing at the moment, e.g. handling of Grealish, improved organisation and team tactics, better fitness, the way he handles the media, getting rid of the useless and bad eggs in the squad etc but to state the obvious he really needs some wins. He seems to be a very sensible manager - thing is in our situation in the league we need a 'magic man' to quote Garde - someone who could make the team add up to more than the sum of its parts. For all his faults Sherwood was more that type of inspirational manager when he arrived - although that quality had left him before he left villa. I am not sure that Remi has the qualities needed to break the current vicious circle of poor results leading to no confidence - leading to poor results. Remi seems to be more the type of manager who is working for the long term - steady progress - which is what we are going to need in the summer whichever league we are in. What he says is still making sense - I always think you know manager is getting close to the end of their time with Villa when their version of the match that has just finished bears no relation to the game everyone else was watching. However, the truth is all this talk of the manager is all missing the point. The main problem is the owner - he has publicly stated he wants to sell and has infamously failed to do so. That undermines whoever is the manager of the football team, the CEO and everyone else running the club because everyone beneath them knows there is no long term plan or vision to buy into. It makes the club a hard sell to any players with real ambition to who know anything about the state of the club's ownership. At best the owner seems to be aiming for the club to just tread water while waiting for the sale to come through but this isn't a league you can tread water in. In the summer we lost our four best players in Vlaar (best defender), Cleverley, Delph and Benteke. This was from a team which was the worst team to remain in the league. We spent virtually no more money than we received and clearly did not get a main striker to replace Benteke despite having struggled for goals for several seasons even with 32.5 million worth of striking talent. On paper it was not easy before the season started to see where the goals were expected to come from and that has been borne out by the performances. It was always unlikely to be good enough unless by some fluke we discovered players with the untapped potential of Benteke when we bought him. We can learn something from history at this point. I actually think some of the players we have bought will go onto prove themselves good / decent premier league players much as many of the players at Villa last time we got relegated did (c.f. Spink, Elliot, Dorigo, Hodge, Daley, Walters, Keown, Birch) but the balance of the squad is totally wrong. They are playing in key positions but are too young / inexperienced to change the fortunes of the team. Like the squad in 1987 we lack strikers that are good enough for the top flight (c.f. Stainrod, Aspinall and co.) and have some real dross (past it, uninterested, just not good enough) in the squad. Poor ownership has given the impression of a club that is only moving in a downwards direction and the players are aware of it so there is a terrible spirit behind the scenes - consequently some of the more mercenary /ambitious players leave c.f. Delph / Hodge. The ownership issue means that I am not sure that even in the summer Garde will be able to turn the club around. In 1987 a new manager, Graham Taylor was the solution for the club because he acted as a driving force to revolutionise the club at every level he could to make it a club which was looking to move upwards. But he was working with an owner who for all his faults was committed to the future of the club. Now, however, any new manager just hasn't got a mandate to make the changes necessary to change the direction of the club (even if we ignore the game's much greater complexity which makes the CEO a more important figure) because they won't have the fully committed backing of the owner because the owner is not fully committed. For these reasons I don't feel confident about the future under Garde and the current owner. Which is a shame because under a different owner Garde might be a great manager (or mediocre - the jury is still out). Still as a fan I find a small part of my heart still hoping that the January window will show the club's owner realises he needs to massively invest time and money to change the club's direction while my head tells me to remember Simon Dawkins. I hope Garde can turn the club around but remember if he doesn't - it isn't Garde who is the problem it is the owner - it doesn't matter who we the manager is the owner needs to change. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 26, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2015 Good post mallett. If only it had a happy ending somewhere.... the owner wants out, but can't. As long as that's the case, we're in a limbo, no matter what happens in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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