OutByEaster? Posted October 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: Seems like Ruth Davidson is saying a lot of reasonable things. What things is she saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, bickster said: She's not an MP, who are you going to kill to get her parachuted in? Douglas-Home wasn’t an MP when he became leader and PM ..though they did then go down the parachute route... perhaps Boris is going to make way for her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Douglas-Home wasn’t an MP when he became leader and PM ..though they did then go down the parachute route... perhaps Boris is going to make way for her Bit of an emergency replacement that one though with Macmillan resigning on ill health grounds. I suppose May could become rusted up or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 She's Gay Female and young, and also a very good orator. She is also a very good politician. She roasts Sturgeon most times. And she put Labour into third place in Scotland for the first time in over 70 years.She would go down very well in Parliament. Being Gay and Female is not an issue before anyone suggests otherwise about my comment. I mentioned it because it's a polar opposite to Pale Stale and Male which is often leveled at our politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Still with the Ruth Davidson thing. Who knew so many people had a hard-on for young Tories? Not an MP. Not acceptable to Tory back-benchers. Not going to happen. Let it go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Couldn't you say that about Corbyn though. Right Blair won more than one election. The only Labour PM to do so, ever. I know when he goes we'll elect the total opposite, that'll work. I think they would elect anyone who would win an election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, colhint said: Couldn't you say that about Corbyn though. Right Blair won more than one election. The only Labour PM to do so, ever. I know when he goes we'll elect the total opposite, that'll work. I think they would elect anyone who would win an election. Are you replying to my comment? Nobody else has written anything, but I don't see how you're replying to what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 9, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Are you replying to my comment? Nobody else has written anything, but I don't see how you're replying to what I said? Corbyn was not wanted to be leader by the labour mps, but is leader. I think that’s Cols parallel. And I agree with him that the Tory MPs will go with whoever they think will give them the best chance of winning. The party members, however, are far less pragmatic and far more ......y’know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2017 11 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Douglas-Home wasn’t an MP when he became leader and PM ..though they did then go down the parachute route... perhaps Boris is going to make way for her Haven’t the rules changed since then? My understanding was that a Tory PM must be the Party Leader and the Party Leader must be an MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2017 They're gunning for Hammond now. Clearly the Treasury isn't singing from the happy song sheet, and therefore must go. Meanwhile the foreign secretary is a walking embarrassment but seemingly bulletproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, blandy said: Corbyn was not wanted to be leader by the labour mps, but is leader. I think that’s Cols parallel. And I agree with him that the Tory MPs will go with whoever they think will give them the best chance of winning. The party members, however, are far less pragmatic and far more ......y’know. Ah okay, I see the point. Apologies @colhint. But no, I don't think the situations are alike at all, because as points out, Ruth Davidson is not likely to be popular with party members. The barriers to her winning are as follows: 1] She's in the wrong parliament, and it would be difficult to move her to Westminster, 2] She has a small base of support among MP's (presumably most of the Scottish Tories would support her, but she would need to quickly gather nearly 100 supporters amongst the parliamentary party just to avoid a quick elimination and it's unlikely that there are that many who would like her) 3] She's a Remainer who wants to stay in the Single Market, which is a popular position in Scotland amongst Tories but not in England, 4] There will be many other candidates, several of whom have been gathering support behind the scenes for months, 5] Even if, in a very unlikely chance, she were to get to a final two, she will be less popular with Tory members (who, let's remember, have an average age of 70) than any other possible candidate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Haven’t the rules changed since then? My understanding was that a Tory PM must be the Party Leader and the Party Leader must be an MP. tbh I don't know , couple of articles I've read recently suggest "being an MP is not a requirement of being prime minister." .. but nobody seems to be mentioning specific Tory party rules about becoming leader fwiw I don't think Davidson wants to be leader of the Tory party / would be PM just yet anyway ... but the danger for her is that she may not be golden girl in 5 years time and thus any opportunity would be lost .. so although very very very unlikely , I wouldn't totally rule her out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: tbh I don't know , couple of articles I've read recently suggest "being an MP is not a requirement of being prime minister." .. but nobody seems to be mentioning specific Tory party rules about becoming leader fwiw I don't think Davidson wants to be leader of the Tory party / would be PM just yet anyway ... but the danger for her is that she may not be golden girl in 5 years time and thus any opportunity would be lost .. so although very very very unlikely , I wouldn't totally rule her out I think we've done this before when people were going on about Davidson. This is from the University of Essex: Quote CONSERVATIVE PARTY Constitution of the Conservative Party (as amended July 2004) Part III Leadership 10. There shall be a Leader of the Party (referred to in this Constitution as “the Leader”) drawn from those elected to Parliament, who shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members in accordance with the provisions of Schedule 2. For an up to date constitution, I think one needs to write to the 1922 Committee but if it had changed from this then I'd have thought it would be common knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 9, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: ....Ruth Davidson is not likely to be popular with party members. The barriers to her winning are as follows: 1] She's in the wrong parliament, and it would be difficult to move her to Westminster, 2] She has a small base of support among MP's (presumably most of the Scottish Tories would support her, but she would need to quickly gather nearly 100 supporters amongst the parliamentary party just to avoid a quick elimination and it's unlikely that there are that many who would like her) 3] She's a Remainer who wants to stay in the Single Market, which is a popular position in Scotland amongst Tories but not in England, 4] There will be many other candidates, several of whom have been gathering support behind the scenes for months, 5] Even if, in a very unlikely chance, she were to get to a final two, she will be less popular with Tory members (who, let's remember, have an average age of 70) than any other possible candidate Yeah, but apart from that.... Actually it's a shame. She seems almost normal (for a tory). She's (or someone like her) is probably the type of person who will lead them next time, when they're trying to get back in. They're so self destructive, so incompetent, so riddled with ambitions and civil wars and all that, and then there's the almighty bollex that is Brexit, so unbelievably they're bad enough that Corbynite Labour will get in almost by default, I think. Sanity is heading off towards the horizon at a rate of knots. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 19 hours ago, blandy said: Yeah, but apart from that.... Actually it's a shame. She seems almost normal (for a tory). She's (or someone like her) is probably the type of person who will lead them next time, when they're trying to get back in. They're so self destructive, so incompetent, so riddled with ambitions and civil wars and all that, and then there's the almighty bollex that is Brexit, so unbelievably they're bad enough that Corbynite Labour will get in almost by default, I think. Sanity is heading off towards the horizon at a rate of knots. We've already voted for this government and for Brexit. Sanity went a long, long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 10, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, bobzy said: We've already voted for this government and for Brexit Speak for yourself - I didn't vote for either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted October 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 17, 2017 Just imagine being this much of a bell end - 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: What an utter clearing in the woods. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The frightening thing is that there are millions of people in this country who would vote for this bastard to be Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: The frightening thing is that there are millions of people in this country who would vote for this bastard to be Prime Minister. I tell you what, I'd love to give them the chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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