markavfc40 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Crime on the rise, Police numbers at their lowest since 1985, NHS unfunded and Education seeing increasing numbers of teachers leaving the profession... it's like a repeat of the early 90's. You always know what you are going to get with the Tories. The tipping point has been reached hasn't it and the failings of Tory austerity are now becoming clear as day. The major problems in A and E, the increased waiting times in outpatient appointments, the dire problems in social care, or lack of it, rise in life expectancy grinding to a halt, teachers leaving the profession and schools sending round the begging bowls, people dying in their own homes because recommendations were not acted upon and now crime figures up dramatically whilst police numbers have been cut. Oh to top it off those public sector workers who have remained to thank them and attract more they have given them a real terms 14% pay cut over the last 6 years. They are scum. It's as simple as that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 On 17/07/2017 at 22:50, tonyh29 said: Got to admit other than seeing him as figure of fun on have I got news for you I didnt know a huge amount about him but having heard how he campaigned in Fife in a Mercedes saying "A Bentley would be most unsuitable for canvassing " he's either a comedy legend in the making or more bonkers than Boris If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it requires housing commensurate with its stature. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 17 hours ago, bickster said: That is an absolutely impossible to quantify policy, its utter nonsense. Who is to say the stress in the office job is killing you more slowly than the bricky on the building site's manual work. You're right, but as a ratio I'd say quite a lot more of my friends on the tools are more permanently damaged with ailments such as bad backs and carpal tunnels, than the office types who have been signed off for stress or other complaints Changing employer/colleagues sorted out most of those in the second category. A couple still have long term issues, but they aren't directly attributable to work. One was bombed on the tube (7/7), one imprisoned and repeatedly raped and a couple of others suffer from clinical depression. The state should take those factors into account, though the obviously the Tories just want them off the books. To further qualify, I also live in London where there are jobs to be had. I appreciate it's different elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2017 11 hours ago, snowychap said: If it walks like a dick and it quacks like a dick then it requires housing commensurate with its stature. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 20/07/2017 at 09:43, blandy said: Also the tories are making themselves ever more unpopular and are guaranteed to continue to do so for the forseeable future, which will have the effect of strengthening the hand of all the people who want to protect the things you're worried about. they just increased their vote by close on 2 and a half million votes at the last GE they may be becoming more unpopular with people who already didn't like them on VT but the electorate on the whole doesn't really back up your statement 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 21, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2017 13 hours ago, snowychap said: If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it requires housing commensurate with its stature. A duck house paid for through expenses claims? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 36 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: A duck house paid for through expenses claims? I didn't think that was him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 21, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, tonyh29 said: I didn't think that was him ? It wasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: they just increased their vote by close on 2 and a half million votes at the last GE they may be becoming more unpopular with people who already didn't like them on VT but the electorate on the whole doesn't really back up your statement I guess the counter to that is that their polling has dropped from the election to a post-election average of 40%, a small but clear drop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2017 Bad news buried this week, as is now traditional... Crime is up to levels not seen for a decade Police numbers down Army has shrunk by 7,000 personnel There's a growing alcoholism problem amongst the army Railway electrification plans have been binned School exclusions are up Good old Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Bad news buried this week, as is now traditional... Crime is up to levels not seen for a decade Police numbers down Army has shrunk by 7,000 personnel There's a growing alcoholism problem amongst the army Railway electrification plans have been binned School exclusions are up Good old Tories. Surely Corbyn will be happy with the army shrinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 21, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: they just increased their vote by close on 2 and a half million votes at the last GE they may be becoming more unpopular with people who already didn't like them on VT but the electorate on the whole doesn't really back up your statement Since the election - the polls (yeah, I know..) have shown them becoming less popular/more unpopular than Corbyn / Labour. So those polls show reducing popularity. I don't understand how anyone can really refute that now. They're not even popular with themselves - they're fighting each other like rats in a sack (well, I say "like rats" but in essence I mean they are rats). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: Bad news buried this week, as is now traditional... Crime is up to levels not seen for a decade Police numbers down Army has shrunk by 7,000 personnel There's a growing alcoholism problem amongst the army Railway electrification plans have been binned School exclusions are up Good old Tories. We're so fortunate that the increase in the proletariat misbehaving correlates with a Conservative government. We need good old Toryism to keep them in line! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Surely Corbyn will be happy with the army shrinking? Many people would be happy with the army shrinking. I don't really care what Corbyn thinks (I'm not a Corbyn cheerleader). I don't think the army shedding numbers is particularly something to celebrate. But it makes Tories look bad so every cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: they just increased their vote by close on 2 and a half million votes at the last GE they may be becoming more unpopular with people who already didn't like them on VT but the electorate on the whole doesn't really back up your statement because turnout went up. proportionally their vote decreased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted July 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2017 A coherent opposition would smash through them like a mobility scootered fatty in a gift shop. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, blandy said: Since the election - the polls (yeah, I know..) have shown them becoming less popular/more unpopular than Corbyn / Labour. So those polls show reducing popularity. I don't understand how anyone can really refute that now. They're not even popular with themselves - they're fighting each other like rats in a sack (well, I say "like rats" but in essence I mean they are rats). I think you've answered your own question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, a m ole said: because turnout went up. proportionally their vote decreased. Vote in 2015 - 36.8% vote in 2017 - 42.3% an increase of 5.5 % on 2015 so , I don't think that is the case ? Edit : Overall vote turnout went from 66.4% to 68.8% if that helps ? Edited July 21, 2017 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 21, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, tonyh29 said: I think you've answered your own question I think I anticpated what you would say. But seriously, even the ones that were accurate show the declining support for the baby chompers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Vote in 2015 - 36.8% vote in 2017 - 42.3% an increase of 5.5 % on 2015 so , I don't think that is the case ? sorry i mean in comparison to labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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