darrenm Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't understand how the Tories can be considered 'extremist' - obviously 'extremism' can only be defined from an agreed-upon centre, and since Conservative policy has been pretty well slap bang in the middle of the Overton window for nigh-on four decades now, it isn't 'extremist' at all. It's utterly mainstream; that's the issue. Yeah agreed about the Overton window. But I'm judging extremism from the centre of full on Marxism on the left and full on neoliberalism on the right. And the way I see it the Tories are about as far right in ideology as Marxism is left. How much further right could they go? Wipe out all public services and put everything out to free market which is pretty much what they're doing. NHS creeping privatisation, schools having to top up from parents donations, getting rid of all regulation such as Cameron's red tape, EU regulations repealed in favour of less stringent US style regs, public workers priced out of jobs causing services to fail, attempted absolishment of unions, workers rights, legal aid. Everything is aggressively and recklessly free market and deregulation. The Overton window has definitely moved very far right but that doesn't mean that the far right isn't at the extreme end of ideology still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 1, 2017 13 hours ago, darrenm said: I think they're at the extreme end of neoliberalism. They are currently shackled with a centrist country from the generations of shifting back and forth between the left and right but their policies are constantly trying to push everything to the free market. They aren't at all. If they were neo-liberal they'd be doing all they can to stay in Europe. This lot don't seem to have a "philosophy", more of a stupidity. You've got a bunch of people who the country didn't really want in power, the leader is the leader because no one wants her job because everyone knows it's going to be a pigs ear, this Brexit. Either side of her you've got pro and anti breixiteers chipping away at her and all they're really interested in is looking good whist not taking the blame, ready to pounce when he time is right. If they were honourable people they'd put a stop to this nonsense for the good of the country, right now. But they aren't honourable, they are quite deplorable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 British gas hike prices by 12%, shows you how much respect big corporations have for the Government. I'm holding fire for a bit, to give the government time to respond, to make good on a promise they made, their manifesto policy to implement an energy price cap. Wrap up warm Grandma, winter is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 6 hours ago, PompeyVillan said: British gas hike prices by 12%, shows you how much respect big corporations have for the Government. I'm holding fire for a bit, to give the government time to respond, to make good on a promise they made, their manifesto policy to implement an energy price cap. Wrap up warm Grandma, winter is coming. It's another knife into the Maybot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Jon said: It's another knife into the Maybot. Probably, yes. But is it a result of the possibility of a Labour Government in the near future? With Labour looking to renationalise the power companies, this could be an attempt at a final hurrah for shareholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 10 hours ago, PompeyVillan said: I'm holding fire for a bit, to give the government time to respond, to make good on a promise they made, their manifesto policy to implement an energy price cap. Such an intention was conspicuous by its absence in the Queen's Speech, unsurprisingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 17 hours ago, bickster said: They aren't at all. If they were neo-liberal they'd be doing all they can to stay in Europe. This lot don't seem to have a "philosophy", more of a stupidity. You've got a bunch of people who the country didn't really want in power, the leader is the leader because no one wants her job because everyone knows it's going to be a pigs ear, this Brexit. Either side of her you've got pro and anti breixiteers chipping away at her and all they're really interested in is looking good whist not taking the blame, ready to pounce when he time is right. If they were honourable people they'd put a stop to this nonsense for the good of the country, right now. But they aren't honourable, they are quite deplorable. So a hard brexit then and be done with it? Or do you mean reversing the decision of the referendum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 hour ago, bickster said: Probably, yes. But is it a result of the possibility of a Labour Government in the near future? With Labour looking to renationalise the power companies, this could be an attempt at a final hurrah for shareholders Not a bad thought. Tbf if you're going to start with any organisation power seems to be the one. They are doing well, have a strong network, seems to be more on top of upgrades than other utility companies and will turn a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: They are doing well They'd have to be extremely incompetent bellends not to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted August 2, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2017 7 hours ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: So a hard brexit then and be done with it? Or do you mean reversing the decision of the referendum? Reversing the decision of the almost meaningless referendum. Hold another referendum now and the result would be reversed, no question in my mind about that. Which is the correct snapshot of public opinion? Referendums are particularly stupid tools on which to make such important decisions. Close results lead to zero mandate for anything. Completely **** the country up on something I'm fairly sure the majority of the country country no longer wants (and probably never would have, had they not been lied to) is the behaviour of a lemming running off a cliff. This lot couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag let alone something this complex and with both hands tied behind their back at the same time. Cornwall voted to leave, they asked for their £600mil of whatever it was they received from the EU annually, which they were promised by the likes of Gove and Boris, reality has hit home, they won't be getting a quarter of that and the longer this farce goes on, the more sectors of society that voted to leave will realise they've been totally dicked over. Trouble is, the nonsense needs stopping now, not in another years time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Quote Governors 'devastated' by 'complete decline of prison service' The president of the Prison Governors Association has attacked the government's management of prisons in England and Wales. Andrea Albutt wrote an open letter after recent violence at prisons in Hertfordshire and Wiltshire. She said the unrest was causing "grave concern" - adding that governors faced "unacceptable stress and anxiety". The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said action had been taken to increase prison officer numbers. But Ms Albutt said her members had seen "nothing tangible" from the MoJ to ease population pressures in prison, and the burden on staff. She said recruitment remained in a "critical" condition, with a net increase of just 75 officers in the year 2016/17. Training was "poor" and "unsuitable people" were being selected, she added. BBC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) So more chickens coming home to roost today. The prison service in crisis, understaffed with under qualified and under paid demoralised staff. Another report showing adult social care is in a diabolical state with 3000 elderly people unable to get a bed in a care home this year and it predicted that figure will rise to 70000 by 2026. You add this to the growing issues in the NHS, the understaffed Police forces, the understaffed fire service, the major issues in local government leading to libraries closing, rubbish not being collected etc, the housing crisis, rising class sizes....... This is what happens when you under fund or privatise public services. They end up being decimated and the services that remain are not fit for purpose. Edited August 2, 2017 by markavfc40 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2017 Clearly the answer is tougher justice, a return to the gallows, firemen paid per fire, a crushing of the unions and larger cemeteries. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 They've ****** the country up but its ok because they promised a load of the bud buds, darkies, desert people and the bloody poles will be going home soon. Ingurlunnnnddddd!!!! Ingurluuuunnnd!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 23 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: They've ****** the country up but its ok because they promised a load of the bud buds, darkies, desert people and the bloody poles will be going home soon. Ingurlunnnnddddd!!!! Ingurluuuunnnd!!!!!!!! They've made an army of the easily influenced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 2, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Chindie said: larger cemeteries Dead right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Ingram85 said: They've ****** the country up but its ok because they promised a load of the bud buds, darkies, desert people and the bloody poles will be going home soon. Ingurlunnnnddddd!!!! Ingurluuuunnnd!!!!!!!! I think I was away when they announced their policy on deportations have you got a link to it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I think I was away when they announced their policy on deportations have you got a link to it ? It was more a comment on a large section of the electorate rather than the party itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2017 To be fair our current prime minister brought in immigrant go home vans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Chindie said: To be fair our current prime minister brought in immigrant go home vans. wasn't that "Illegal immigrant" go home vans nether the less a bonkers thing and yet she still made it to PM ... probably says it all really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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