dAVe80 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, darrenm said: I saw them trying to start this one. Someone's trolling. Moggmentum is a real thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: Moggmentum is a real thing! Got to admit other than seeing him as figure of fun on have I got news for you I didnt know a huge amount about him but having heard how he campaigned in Fife in a Mercedes saying "A Bentley would be most unsuitable for canvassing " he's either a comedy legend in the making or more bonkers than Boris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: Got to admit other than seeing him as figure of fun on have I got news for you I didnt know a huge amount about him but having heard how he campaigned in Fife in a Mercedes saying "A Bentley would be most unsuitable for canvassing " he's either a comedy legend in the making or more bonkers than Boris Sounds like an absolute danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 9 hours ago, tonyh29 said: So yesterday I read a couple of articles online about how Rees Mogg is becoming the Tory equiv of a Corbyn and somehow appealing to young voters and a dark horse for leader ( I don't actually know if he had ambitions in this area and him being a catholic might make it interesting to boot ) It seems that "being a bit eccentric and posh on Instagram" and "calling your baby something a bit weird" elevates you to something more than your peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 The thing with Mogg, which is pretty unfathomable, he is only 6 months older than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Did this get much coverage in the papers or social media? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608253 Quote The NHS has been ranked the number one health system in a comparison of 11 countries. The UK health service was praised for its safety, affordability and efficiency, but fared less well on outcomes such as preventing early death and cancer survival. The research by the Commonwealth Fund, a US think tank, looked at countries across the world, including the US, Canada, Australia, France and Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I suggest that #Moggmentum tells you less about the future leadership of the Conservative party and more about how bereft of ideas Conservative-leaning media are at the moment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 17 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Got to admit other than seeing him as figure of fun on have I got news for you I didnt know a huge amount about him but having heard how he campaigned in Fife in a Mercedes saying "A Bentley would be most unsuitable for canvassing " he's either a comedy legend in the making or more bonkers than Boris Not in the making! From his accurate and brutal assessments to his expression of indignation when someone says something stupid. he is downright hilarious and always has been. My problem is that he's too focused on process and so nobody knows it's hes actually able to understand deliverable policy. Either way, imo his more obvious talents are wasted if he's not in some way part of the governance conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Sarah Newton doing a great job during the drugs debate in parliament today. Apparently alcohol isn't one and our current drug policy is the right course of action, based on (and this is the best bit), the 'best available evidence' Edited July 18, 2017 by wazzap24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Seat68 said: The thing with Mogg, which is pretty unfathomable, he is only 6 months older than me. No, I think you'll find he's at least 170 years older than you. As for him being seen in Fife, that's only just across the river from Dundee, the headquarters of the Beano, one of whose characters seems to be his inspiration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, wazzap24 said: Sarah Newton doing a great job during the drugs debate in parliament today. Apparently alcohol isn't one and our current drug policy is the right course of action, based on (and this is the best bit), the 'best available evidence' Good job Crispin Blunt didn't. Some brilliant speakers throughout. Edited July 18, 2017 by itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: Good job Crispin Blunt didn't. Some brilliant speakers throughout. Great name for a drug debate too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted July 19, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2017 They're going after porn again. Or, more accurately, they're using porn as an excuse to usher in a power grab. From next year all pornographic sites will be required to verify users age, because parents can't control their children, ostensibly. Downsides to this? It'll take about a week for a database to be nicked, meaning this basically threatens privacy on all fronts. Also, what would constitute pornographic material? There are legitimate resources (medical, support communities etc) that will deal with material you could conceivably get off to, depending on your preferences, but also are providing information to vulnerable/ill people. And there's also 'legit' sites that host shitloads of grumble. Upsides? Er... Government has a trial run for control of net access nobody is going to oppose (won't you think of the children!), and... Well parents get to continue neglecting protecting their children properly. And Tories get a warm Victorian feeling of doing the common good. Cover those ankles girls. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: They're going after porn again. Or, more accurately, they're using porn as an excuse to usher in a power grab. From next year all pornographic sites will be required to verify users age, because parents can't control their children, ostensibly. Downsides to this? It'll take about a week for a database to be nicked, meaning this basically threatens privacy on all fronts. Also, what would constitute pornographic material? There are legitimate resources (medical, support communities etc) that will deal with material you could conceivably get off to, depending on your preferences, but also are providing information to vulnerable/ill people. And there's also 'legit' sites that host shitloads of grumble. Upsides? Er... Government has a trial run for control of net access nobody is going to oppose (won't you think of the children!), and... Well parents get to continue neglecting protecting their children properly. And Tories get a warm Victorian feeling of doing the common good. Cover those ankles girls. You know already card payment details of some form will be the measure of someones age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Seat68 said: You know already card payment details of some form will be the measure of someones age. More or less guaranteed. Then you'll have the Heil article when dear little Timmy is coerced, honest, into spending Mummy's cocktail budget on a years subscription to Arse Angels and Dicksome Devils, which, dear reader, has some of the worst smut you can find on Google, at this URL... And then they'll go for VPNs. ...I swear someone in Whitehall would soil themselves in excitement of they could get porn and terrorism in the save sentence right before they put some legislation through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: And then they'll go for VPNs. To what extent is this technologically possible? I know nothing about IT. I just know that I was able to use a VPN when living in China, is the UK really going to produce a stronger barrier than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: You know already card payment details of some form will be the measure of someones age. Laptop - £250 High Speed Broadband - £15/month Cracking one off - Priceless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: To what extent is this technologically possible? I know nothing about IT. I just know that I was able to use a VPN when living in China, is the UK really going to produce a stronger barrier than that? It's not. They can try to force ISPs to block it by using deep packet inspection but nothing can decrypt SSL packets quick enough to see what's inside. And if it's fairly easy to use a VPN, the bill won't get anywhere. This crops up every few years but seems to follow the pattern of tech-illiterate older Tory makes a censorship grab on the internet, and by the time it goes anywhere someone with a clue has had a word and told them it's not feasible. I wrote this in 2012 during one of their previous paranoia episodes and it still mostly stands http://wmdzone.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/prying-daves-folly.html This government is akin to a racist on Twitter, expelling rubbish directly from their deep, dark fantasies, not allowing the inhibitions to take hold and reign them in. I doubt this one passed the Cabinet Reality Assessment Procedure (CRAP) test before going public the only changes since then are they tend to do a lot of IP blocking at ISP level now rather than just DNS and the logistics of big data means they can log and analyse what they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, darrenm said: the bill won't get anywhere The Act is already on the statute books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: The Act is already on the statute books. Oh. Pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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