NurembergVillan Posted July 28, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Do you live in ULEZ zone NV? It's currently under review for my area. The city centre is ULEZ. Has no bearing on me as I don't drive a 2004 Peugeot Boxer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said: It's currently under review for my area. The city centre is ULEZ. Has no bearing on me as I don't drive a 2004 Peugeot Boxer. Lucky you that doesnt have a 2004 peugeot. Lets forgot the single parent who can only afford one of them then As i expected it doesnt effect you hence why your in favor of it. Lets see if you still have the same reply if in 10 years your car is not compliant as im aure with most things it will happen to newer cars nit like "colour example" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Punishing the poorest yet again is a terrible idea. Its them that are going to suffer the most I agree it probably will. This is a government led initiative though so they should give the local authorities the resources to make sure they can implement it fairly and ensure those who can't afford to change cars are given help to do so. The biggest piss off with today though is that the five local councils who took this court action have wasted 1 million pound of council tax payers money in legal fees. Edited July 28, 2023 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted July 28, 2023 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: What cities in the uk is it in pete? Yeah i think we had the discussion about the pollution. I disagree its the right thing to do to be honest. Its good if you have a actual plan but this is just to make money. The plan is being challenged by tory councils zero labour ones so i think tells us everything we need to know. The scrappage scheme from what i read doesnt help much with the cost of a new car. In my opinion of your goibg to implement this on people you should say this will be the plan in x amount of years to help people financially. One idea i suggested was upping the age of people who can legally drive, incentives for older people to uss public transporr and not drive. Punishing the poorest yet again is a terrible idea. Its them that are going to suffer the most and businesses It’s in most large uk cities. Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester etc. The plan is being challenged by Tory councils for political ends. It’s all about trying to lose fewer voters at the next election. Khan was required by the Tories to propose extensions to the ULEZ areas. They know what they’re doing. cars affected. Petrol cars pre 2006, diesels pre 2015. Total about 6% of vehicles. Scrappage scheme outside London if you earn less than 30k you get 2 grand. Inside London you have to be on benefits to qualify for the 2 grand. it’s not a money making scheme. Pollution is killing people. It’s making kids asthmatic. It’s the government complying with the law to avoid costs from legal action. ULEZ halves pollution of the air. Youre right that more help needs to be given to the very small number of people actually affected by the charge, but that’s the only major thing wrong with the scheme, in truth. And that’s down to the Tories. Yes they introduced it, because they were forced to by the courts, and it was right to do that, albeit rather later than they should have done. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I agree it probably will. This is a government led initiative though so they should give the local authorities the resources to make sure they can implement it fairly and ensure those who can't afford to change cars are given help to do so. The biggest piss off with today though is that the five local councils who took this court action have wasted 1 million pound of council tax payers money in legal fees. If there was a proper plan in place where you can get anywhere thats affordable, didnt hit the poorest the worst i would say yeah go for it. If they made a vow that the age of the vehicle would never be changed or the fee was lower then i wouldnt be opposed. How many people have complained in the cost of living thread about every thing going up a few quid shopping, or mortgages etc? How do they pay this on top? I simply dont support this scheme whegher it tories labour or the demitricparty. Its a big thumbs down for me Lets take away cars for example, what about the other polluting things that are terrible? lLTNS for example are absolutely terrible for the environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fightoffyour Posted July 28, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2023 If only London had a half decent public transport system, people wouldn't even need cars there at all. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 28, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Lucky you that doesnt have a 2004 peugeot. Lets forgot the single parent who can only afford one of them then This is a 2004 Peugeot Boxer... My point is, this isn't a family vehicle - a lot of the ULEZ charge is aimed at companies who are driving around city centres in old heaps making deliveries etc whilst smogging everyone out. Surely you can see the benefits of fewer 2.8l diesel vehicles belching carbon monoxide all over town? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But thats probably because you have good transport links around there. No better or worse than much of London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2023 37 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: If only London had a half decent public transport system, people wouldn't even need cars there at all. London's public transport is **** ing fantastic, compared with the rest of the country! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: If only London had a half decent public transport system, people wouldn't even need cars there at all. London has a great transport system. I've never owned a car what's the point of having one in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted July 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2023 I think @fightoffyour's sarcasm has gone over peoples heads. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Air pollution is a big issue in London. The extension of ULEZ is fantastic for Londoners. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Its good if you have a actual plan but this is just to make money. It's not. The high cost is intended to make people think "I don't want to drive my car / van because it's so expensive to do so, therefore I will try to find a different way to do this". The system would work at its best if it made no money at all. If it were a scheme to make money, they'd price it so that people were happy to pay it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 The Tube offsets private rail's failings in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeVilla82 Posted July 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: What cities in the uk is it in pete? I live in Bath, and it's been here for a while now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 28, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Lets take away cars for example, what about the other polluting things that are terrible? lLTNS for example are absolutely terrible for the environment Google has no idea what ILTNS's are. Me either. I am now concerned about them - does anyone know how Nigel Farage feels about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: This is a 2004 Peugeot Boxer... My point is, this isn't a family vehicle - a lot of the ULEZ charge is aimed at companies who are driving around city centres in old heaps making deliveries etc whilst smogging everyone out. Surely you can see the benefits of fewer 2.8l diesel vehicles belching carbon monoxide all over town? The problem is NV that this can have a knock in effect now with businesses. Now any job they will add £12.50 per day fee do it gets passsd onto the customer. Of course we all want newer cleaner cars but how does charging someone £12.50 achieve that? Why not give £6.50 back to the consumer each time they pay the ULEZ fee each year so they can put that towards a more environmentally friendly car? Surely thats better than just charging a ridiculous amount of money each day. Also i know you was talking about a van but lets put aside that and say it was a diesel vehicle for a single mother who simply cannot afford a new car what. What does she do?? Also can you trust a government/mayor wont i crease the ulez charge change the year of the car? You wait and see soon all cars will have to pay ulez fee in next 10 years. Thats my prediction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, ml1dch said: It's not. The high cost is intended to make people think "I don't want to drive my car / van because it's so expensive to do so, therefore I will try to find a different way to do this". The system would work at its best if it made no money at all. If it were a scheme to make money, they'd price it so that people were happy to pay it. So explain to me how charging £12.50 a day helps the environment? 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: London has a great transport system. I've never owned a car what's the point of having one in London. If you live in central london or areas around there then i agree but if youe in the outskirts u have very limited tubes Also @blandy i had a look and the Ulez only covers a small area of Birmingham. That area will be next and im curious to see what the response will be then when it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, ml1dch said: It's not. The high cost is intended to make people think "I don't want to drive my car / van because it's so expensive to do so, therefore I will try to find a different way to do this". The system would work at its best if it made no money at all. If it were a scheme to make money, they'd price it so that people were happy to pay it. Exactly this. Having been in London for 20+ years now, I can’t believe how much busier the roads are now than when I first arrived. If I want to see my OH, I’ll have to pay congestion charge so I often take the train. It takes longer but costs about the same as a petrol/ccharge combo so I’m happy to do it. ULEZ has the same aim. It’s impossible to get anywhere quick on the roads even at midnight. Something needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Khan wins ULEZ vote (not suprising as its a big money maker) i expect ULEZ will be in every major city in next 10 years. another nail in this countries coffin I think it's a great idea and they should expand Birmingham's CAZ / ULEZ to cover most of Birmingham. They should then make it electric cars only from 2032 (2 years after the new diesel/petrol ban comes in place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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