tinker Posted February 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Agreed, why not? Well for a while remember the tories actively prevented councils from building additional homes. Plus, I guess, if government is involved then there is a triple whammy, their mates don’t make as much profit, their voters don’t see their paper wealth accumulate, their voters are at theoretical risk of needing to pay a penny more tax to organise state building of homes. It's because they are in politics for themselves, not the country they pretend to care about. Our politicians are not fit for purpose. We would be better off employing the most gifted managers,.pay them huge salaries, and let them manage to benefit the country not their egos or their mates and there own bank balances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, LondonLax said: In 15 years time the ‘Gen X’ line will be where the ‘boomer’ line is and that upturn in the ‘Millennial’ line will take it towards the National Average while the ‘Zoomer’ line will appear in their place. The whole thing carries on as before. Not true with the exception of 2019 (where the age dipped to below 40 in a massive downturn - because Corbyn) the age at which there are more Tory voters than Labour has been getting older at each election for decades and there's no expectation of a recovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, ml1dch said: Maybe. But also, maybe not. People don't just receive their "I now vote Tory" badge in the post on their fiftieth birthday, and I think misunderstands the reason why that trend exists. The important graph for "what makes someone vote Tory" isn't their age but their assets. And as people got older, they typically became more asset-rich and more likely to vote for what they felt was likely to see those assets best-protected. This is now the first time in modern history where people are going to be significantly poorer than their predecessors, and that motivation to become more Tory as they get older is vastly diminished - which is why you see those trends on @juanpabloangel18's graph. It's spectacular just how little thought has gone into the last thirteen years of governance to try and build a voting coalition for the future. I would also think that as people start casting half an eye towards their old age, and start to see and and use more NHS services they are probably (like I am) terrified about where we're likely to be in 20 - 30 years time on current trajectory. Previous generations would have seen they're going to be well looked after in their dotage and their elderly parents are being well looked after. People currently will not be feeling that comfort at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, ml1dch said: Maybe. But also, maybe not. People don't just receive their "I now vote Tory" badge in the post on their fiftieth birthday, and I think misunderstands the reason why that trend exists. The important graph for "what makes someone vote Tory" isn't their age but their assets. And as people got older, they typically became more asset-rich and more likely to vote for what they felt was likely to see those assets best-protected. This is now the first time in modern history where people are going to be significantly poorer than their predecessors, and that motivation to become more Tory as they get older is vastly diminished - which is why you see those trends on @juanpabloangel18's graph. It's spectacular just how little thought has gone into the last thirteen years of governance to try and build a voting coalition for the future. And what about the transfer of those assets when the boomers die? There is also more to being a conservative voter than just wealth. There is the idea of cultural conservatism as well. It reminds me of Abe Simpson and his ‘it will happen to you!’ quote. The boomers when they were young were the hippy generation, considered ultra progressive at the time. But each youth generation comes up with their own progressive ideas and when those rub up against the values of the generation before them the older generation becomes the conservatives of the day. Voting conservative is often about cultural values as much as economic ones. Edited February 21, 2023 by LondonLax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LondonLax said: And what about the transfer of those assets when the boomers die? They'll have been sold to fund the dementia care. Edited February 20, 2023 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, bobzy said: They'll have been sold to fund the dementia care. And someone who already owns 79 properties will buy it to turn into shit flats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted February 21, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 hours ago, bobzy said: They'll have been sold to fund the dementia care. Exactly this is happening to my brother in law. His mother has very serious dementia. Its costing £5k per month to keep her in a home. House will need to be sold soon to keep her in there. Not only that but the home she was in kicked her out because she was too much of a handful and they've had a hell of a time finding anyone who would take her, even homes who say they specialise in dementia. There is just no safety net. Personally I am willing to pay more tax to fund the NHS better. I want to be able to see a doctor. If I or anyone for that matter develops dementia or some mental illness I want them/me to be looked after. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 hours ago, bickster said: And someone who already owns 79 properties will buy it to turn into shit flats I only own 75 actually and for your information they are New York style lofts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On the shitty NHS thing, my lad got a big rash across his back and we thought we’d have to fight the doctors receptionist to maybe if we were lucky get a call from a doctor. Before that we took a photo of it and popped to the local pharmacy. Pharmacist took a look, immediately knew what it was, gave us something for it and it was gone 24 hours later. Something to consider if anyone else is in a similar situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2023 On the demographics, both my parents in law have died since the last election. My dad will do well to make the next election. All Conservative voters. Both my kids are voting for the first time, they'll both vote Labour. My neice will be voting for the first time. I don't know her politics but my brother is a Corbynite so I can't see her aspiring to Tory values. That's a hell of a swing in one family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 It seems like every week there’s another “surprise” about the economy. Staying out of recession, growth and today it’s a tax surplus. Someone somewhere is playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, bickster said: And someone who already owns 79 properties will buy it to turn into shit flats And get mortgages on them. And the DWP will pay the rent. But they will proudly say they made their own money and never claimed benefits. And then vote Tory 'because of scroungers' Edited February 21, 2023 by Anthony missed a bit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OutByEaster? Posted February 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2023 Does that count as a Brexit benefit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2023 15 hours ago, Genie said: On the shitty NHS thing, my lad got a big rash across his back and we thought we’d have to fight the doctors receptionist to maybe if we were lucky get a call from a doctor. Before that we took a photo of it and popped to the local pharmacy. Pharmacist took a look, immediately knew what it was, gave us something for it and it was gone 24 hours later. Something to consider if anyone else is in a similar situation. Glad to see you didn't make any rash decisions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Fun Factory Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 20/02/2023 at 11:07, bickster said: Not particularly true in the UK. Shy Tory syndrome has only affected 2 general elections in modern politics. (lets define that as Thatcher coming to power for ease of argument) Voter ID will also help the tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Voter ID will also help the tories. Will it? Kids all have ID, they don’t get into pubs without it Kids apply for provisional licences with no intention of driving The ID thing is more likely to affect older Tory voters who haven’t had need of a passport for years and are no longer able to drive The Tories thought they were being smart with this but as usual… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, bickster said: Will it? Kids all have ID, they don’t get into pubs without it Kids apply for provisional licences with no intention of driving The ID thing is more likely to affect older Tory voters who haven’t had need of a passport for years and are no longer able to drive The Tories thought they were being smart with this but as usual… Poor communities will struggle. I don’t know the numbers, I just know from experience of working in the NFP industry, that there are many people on low income without ID (even a provisional license). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2023 53 minutes ago, bickster said: Will it? Kids all have ID, they don’t get into pubs without it Kids apply for provisional licences with no intention of driving The ID thing is more likely to affect older Tory voters who haven’t had need of a passport for years and are no longer able to drive The Tories thought they were being smart with this but as usual… Aren't they allowing the Senior Bus Pass as ID but not the youth one? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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