cheltenham_villa Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 23 hours ago, Genie said: Phew, looks like the bankers are going to be alright link surely good news for the state as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: surely good news for the state as well? Depends how much “we” get back and how much goes to banker bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Genie said: Depends how much “we” get back and how much goes to banker bonuses. Some of this is a bit of a misconception, not sure they have the traditional investment banking arm so most of these bonus' are to regular employees, thousands of people that work in beaches, answer calls, manage websites and projects. Might feel like a lot of money but it's part of a package when you work in financial services. No real drama here, it's just an organisation that's recorded some large profits and a good chunk is being given back to employees, of course those more senior will do well out it it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 15, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just a tiny anecdotal thing, but a while back, remember the days long long ago, when there was that mad Tufton street Instagram one as Prime Minister, the one who crashed the economy? Anyway, my local MP (a Tory) stood up in parliament and slated the plan to restart fracking. So I wrote to him and said "well done, I'm not a Tory, but standing up for your constituents, rather than just toeing the line was good". He replied with a standard letter. Then he voted to allow fracking to restart (3 line whip, tbf). Anyway, I got another letter yesterday. Very much anti fracking and against Cuadrilla shirking their legal duty to clean up the fracking site and so on. Apart from the weasel words about why they might have delayed (because the Tories gave them more than a hope that they might be able to restart, basically, which he doesn't acknowledge at all), it's clear from the content that he's (in a safe seat) making efforts to show "I'm doing stuff" - he enclosed a letter he'd written to the council asking them to not approve any planning permission extension for the fracking site). So if the likes of his with a nearly 17,000 majority are getting all "visible" then there's a lot of worried MPs in Toryland. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 That contrasts with my local tory MP who was last seen on 2nd December 2022 berating the fact that booze was cheaper in England than Wales. Thinking about it, what if it does turn out he’s trapped under a heavy thing, or kidnapped, or stuck up a tree? Be a bit embarrassing if 55,000 people have to give a statement to say they hadn’t noticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 In todays news after a decade of under funding, information has come out about multiple sewage leaks in Cancer wards, maternity wards and A&E departments. The state of the NHS should be front page news every single day. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 17, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2023 14 hours ago, DCJonah said: In todays news after a decade of under funding, information has come out about multiple sewage leaks in Cancer wards, maternity wards and A&E departments. The state of the NHS should be front page news every single day. There's just too much to pump into the rivers alone, so now the hospitals are taking a hit too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2023 21 hours ago, DCJonah said: In todays news after a decade of under funding, information has come out about multiple sewage leaks in Cancer wards, maternity wards and A&E departments. And this will be used as justification by the privatisation lobby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 18, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, mjmooney said: And this will be used as justification by the privatisation lobby. Luckily, like Boris Johnson promised, they’ve built 40 new hospitals. So everything is alr….oh! Apparently only half of 40, the second half, the “0”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Honestly doesn't surprise me. There was a bucket catching rainwater in the intensive care unit we were in, for the entire 5 months we were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Going to be a vit of a problem for the non-lunatic Tory MPs that they have to rely on the current membership demographics to keep hold of their seats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 19, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, ml1dch said: non-lunatic Sexual harassment, computer p0rn, lying, breaching the ministerial code… Good riddance. Tory twunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 14 hours ago, blandy said: Sexual harassment, computer p0rn, lying, breaching the ministerial code… Good riddance. Tory twunt. Sure. I hold no candle for him. Any day that is bad for a sitting Tory MP is probably a good day. He's still one of the non-lunatic ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 20, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, ml1dch said: He's still one of the non-lunatic ones. I’ll concede “less lunatic” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, blandy said: I’ll concede “less lunatic” Quite happy to meet there at that sensible middle-ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 If/when they go into opposition they will go full trump republican. I mean they are halfway there already but it will be the full bring back hunting, anti wokery , bring back hanging nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Tories out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: If/when they go into opposition they will go full trump republican Imagine a situation where they aren't the second largest party in government. Right now, that is perfectly possible Quote Pollster Find Out Now and election experts Electoral Calculus have run a MRP poll on voting intention for Westminster. This was a large-scale poll, involving over 28,000 respondents, carried out from 27 January – 5 February. The poll asked GB residents whether and how they intend to vote if there were an imminent general election. It also asked voters who would make the best Prime Minister and their attitudes to Conservative sleaze Labour lead of 25% over Conservatives Conservatives forecast to have fewer seats than SNP Conservatives losing support most in their strongest seats The Prime Minister among sixteen cabinet ministers predicted to lose their seats [...] [...] Party Number of Seats at GE 2019 Predicted Number of Seats Predicted Change CON 365 45 −320 LAB 203 509 306 SNP 48 50 2 LIB 11 23 12 Plaid 4 4 0 Green 1 1 0 Reform 0 0 0 Total 632 632 0 [...] Electoral Calculus The current predictions are a much bigger defeat than 1997. They are in fact in unprecidented territory. There really may be no more Conservative Party as we know it. All sorts of mental switches have been flicked and it really is very hard to turn them back. You may be witnessing the death of the Tory Party. Right now things aren't going to get better for them, only worse. It is also worth noting that this large scale poll does not give a scale of Tory defeat that some of the other current polling suggests, it's pretty much in the middle ground Call the popcorn manufacturers. This will be a period of British politics that will be studied for centuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Imagine a situation where they aren't the second largest party in government. Right now, that is perfectly possible Electoral Calculus The current predictions are a much bigger defeat than 1997. They are in fact in unprecidented territory. There really may be no more Conservative Party as we know it. All sorts of mental switches have been flicked and it really is very hard to turn them back. You may be witnessing the death of the Tory Party. Right now things aren't going to get better for them, only worse. Call the popcorn manufacturers. This will be a period of British politics that will be studied for centuries They said all of that in the late 90s and early 00s, and yet they have come back and been in power since 2010. About three-quarters of the last 40 years that have been in government, Britain is inherently a small c conservative country. They will be useless for 5-10 years but like James Bond, they will return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: They said all of that in the late 90s and early 00s, The scale of the predicted defeat is way beyond 1997 levels which was 418 (Lab) / 165 (Con) / 46 (LibDem). In 1997 the Tory share of the vote in polling was spot on, around 30-32% they are currently nearly 10 points below that The current predictions have no modern precident, to describe it as a collapse does not do it justice. Labour could be in power longer than Blair / Brown as a credible opposition will need to form and it's quite possible given the current demographics that it will not be the Conservative Party as we know it today because a lot of their voters to put it bluntly may actually be dead before they get a shot at power again. The Tory party has been facing an age timebomb for some while and their policies currently are actually going to kill more of their voters EDIT: There is also a very good argument that the Tories have only been in power so long because of the collapse of the LibDems post 2010 and even at current projections, the LibDems aren't getting anywhere near close to the amount of seats they won then, they haven't recovered yet and show no signs of doing so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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