Dodgyknees Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Xann said: We're just feeling our way through our new banana constitutional monarchy. But how bendy are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Well beyond the elastic limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Xann said: We're just feeling our way through our new banana constitutional monarchy. 18 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: But how bendy are they? Are we saving the green bananas for Prince Andrew? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Are we saving the green bananas for Prince Andrew? He's busy showing new staff where their forelocks aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2021 She's always been vile but I think she may be approaching peak word removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Historically, they are a Party that has always had blood on their hands. Callous bastards, the lot of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2021 I think a lot of people have realised that they don't know what the **** they're doing and/or what they tell us to do is usually not the right course of action for any number of reasons, and accept that if they're making a sensible decision involving lots of clued up people done properly (for example the schools and councils) then they most likely are going to be doing the right thing compared to what the shambles of a government have said. They've also realised that the government will just fold and pull a U Turn once it's clear that the decision that everyone else has made on their own behalf is actually the right thing to do anyway, and then probably claim that that was what they had said to do all along anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Put this into Google Translate, Tory to English. Quote The challenge that faces us is to decide - are we going to try to pursue the elimination of Covid-19 regardless of the costs or decide on a tolerable level of deaths (like we do with the flu) in order to return to a normal life?’ Result. Quote We've emptied the coffers into our chums' pockets for defective goods and services. Now many will have to die to get capitalism back on track. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm trying to think of when this has happened before - when a government has said 'this must happen' and the country has just said no. it's weird. The week before lockdown, March 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 4, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The week before lockdown, March 2020. What was it they wanted us to do then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: What was it they wanted us to do then? Continue about normal life as if nothing was happening. It's been largely forgotten by now, but the first lockdown was more reactive than proactive on the government's part. Businesses were closing voluntarily, the Premier League postponed fixtures etc. The government did a screeching U-turn from 'Laura Kuennsberg is going to patiently explain something called 'herd immunity' on the news' to 'shut everything', but the public forced them into it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 When they do finally fully sell off the NHS, you can be sure there will be idiots out there saying “Labour would have done worse” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 hours ago, bickster said: She's always been vile but I think she may be approaching peak word removed She's not worded it too well, but I agree with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I am willing to accept collateral damage as long as its other peoples nearest and dearest. I am not a scientist but if we can cull the weak that are related to others then yes I am ok with that, just not mine. In that case I am fully behind the honourable member for GMTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jon said: She's not worded it too well, but I agree with her. Money > life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) It sounds incredibly callous and morbid, but this kind of decision is made all of the time. We'd undoubtedly save lives by banning cars, but we've collectively decided that the enhanced quality of life for the meant is worth deaths of the few. Covid is killing orders of magnitude more, but it's certainly a case of finding where we want to draw the line. Should we lockdown the nation to save a thousand people a day dying? Probably, imo. What about to prevent one covid death per day? Well, no. I wouldn't want to have to put the line in a specific place but the government probably needs to. Edited January 4, 2021 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, Davkaus said: It sounds incredibly callous and morbid, but this kind of decision is made all of the time. We'd undoubtedly save lives by banning cars, but we've collectively decided that the enhanced quality of life for the meant is worth deaths of the few. Covid is killing orders of magnitude more, but it's certainly a case of finding where we want to draw the line. Should we lockdown the nation to save a thousand people a day dying? Probably, imo. What about to prevent one covid death per day? Well, no. I wouldn't want to have to put the line in a specific place but the government probably needs to. Absolutely, it’s the same as very expensive safety features on cars, planes, trains that might a life or 2 now and again. Not good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 57 minutes ago, bobzy said: Money > life? Hyperbole aside, I think everybody is trying to prioritise life. The debate surrounds what constitutes living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Genie said: Absolutely, it’s the same as very expensive safety features on cars, planes, trains that might a life or 2 now and again. Not good business. I can't tell if you're being sincere or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said: Hyperbole aside, I think everybody is trying to prioritise life. The debate surrounds what constitutes living. She doesn't seem to be having that debate though: as there are vaccines, surely it's not a choice between 'freedom' on the one hand and getting rid of the virus on the other — it's a choice between not giving a shit now and having citizens of the country die or being more patient as the vaccine rolls out – and getting the new strain under some kind of control. The Tories don't seem to have this in their makeup, but surely good leadership of a country is leading and keeping an eye out for everyone, poor to rich, not just your mates? I live in Madrid now and we've had barely any restrictions since the first lockdown, which has been a relief, so maybe I don't have the same lockdown fatigue. It's arguable that the British government and a lot of the population brought this on themselves with the kind of attitude McVey shows here. I'm sure we all appreciate that it's not a black and white issue, but personally speaking I can't just not worry about my family and other people's families, and this new strain of the virus is a bit of an unknown still, which makes her belligerent attitude really galling. She's not having a debate, she's standing ground – as always (I can't see how people listen to McVey and think she's anything but a callous prick tbh). I'm sure we'll be facing the new strain in Spain soon on a bigger scale too, and if we have to lockdown to keep people safe and to keep the hospitals functioning as best as possible while the vaccine is distributed, then for me of course it's the right thing to do. I've met plenty of Spanish people with McVey's attitude, and tellingly they change their mind as soon as they have a friend or two in an intensive care unit. Edited January 4, 2021 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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