Popular Post dAVe80 Posted November 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2015 Can I ask if any of you have actually sat with or near them? I've sat near them a few times, and all I've ever encountered is Villa fans getting behind their team. I think everyone is aware of where they sit now, so know what to expect if they sit in their section. Chances are you're going to be stood up, if you're near them. There are plenty of other seats available if you don't like it, so I don't understand why they get the stick they do, and why the club have such a hard on for making them sit down. I say fair play to them, and fully support them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NulliSecundus Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 why did they move down the front?the club accommodated them where they were last season, i can stand all game at the back of the lower holte, so could they, now they've gone down the front and have an issue, brought it on themselvessaid many many times on here, they're a load of nonsenseThis x100. There was no hassle last year as far as I know when they were up at the back of the Holte End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Sit by them every game , numerous times this season they haven't been supporting the team as they claim , they have been goading the stewards week in , week out. What they are trying to do simply doesn't work , none of the rest of the holte generally join in with their songs. Many of this bunch have good intention , but equally as many are there to have a pop at the stewards , having said that the stewards were over zealous yesterday.The simple answer is to accommodate them at the back of one of the stands where to won't infringe peoples view by standing 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 jeez - what an embarrassment.I get the idea of having a section of the crowd intent on singing to get the rest going - it is admirable.However, from that youtube clip, it just comes across as a bunch of pissed up teenagers and blokes who are old enough to know better, intent on standing up and telling all and sundry to f*** off. It's not as if they're even co-ordinated in their chants etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 They're poor and unnecessary. As the poster above says if they were to actually coordinate great, but they don't. And I'm not having this "better fan than you" shit either, I pay my dues 25 times a season minimum and I'm as loud as anyone. Each individual has a right to watch the game however suits them, but collectively they are a bit of a nuisance and they are too arrogant to realise it I think. Anyway, whatever, the atmosphere was great yesterday, particularly given the 1.30 Sunday KO. Well done all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PongRiddims Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Last season, when they were sitting down the side of the lower Holte they were fantastic to be sat by, great atmosphere, no problem with standing. No idea why they moved to be honest. Having not sat by them this season I can't comment on their behaviour but I think they're sorely missed in LH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'd love us to have proper ultras that do shit like this... Palace have got the closest thing but English home fans in general are so drab unless it's a big game (yesterday for instance). I'd love us to make VP an intimidating cauldron of noise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'd love us to have proper ultras that do shit like this... Palace have got the closest thing but English home fans in general are so drab unless it's a big game (yesterday for instance). I'd love us to make VP an intimidating cauldron of noise. totally agree. the more intimidating a football ground is the better. regarding the group concerned ive never been near them so cant really comment but its probably six of one and half a dozen of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yup a right bunch of tossers how dare they try and create an atmosphere! Looks like a jobsworth bunch of stewards to me. If you don't want to stand or sing and want to sit there moaning all match go into the Doug Ellis please. Why go into the Holte to sit?The game vs Birmingham the whole ground looked to have stood throughout the match. It looked and sounded amazing on TV. A proper atmosphere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted November 10, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) I'd love us to have proper ultras that do shit like this... Palace have got the closest thing but English home fans in general are so drab unless it's a big game (yesterday for instance). I'd love us to make VP an intimidating cauldron of noise. If I'm honest, I don't think I would like us to have something like the 'proper ultras' from Dortmund. As intimidating as a big skull is, I think it would just make us appear like fanatical nutters as a whole, rather than people loving their team and getting behind them. Europe has some serious problems with football violence, racism and so on, I'd rather we intimidated opposing teams by being good at football, rather than making them think they're in physical danger by attending a football match. I'm so proud of my club, and I'm happy if we have a section of the crowd who sing loud and stand, and that's fine, I do worry that being proper ultras sounds very much like its on the brink of being a gang, and one that would be divisive of our fans, rather than of opponents. Just my hapence worth! Edited November 10, 2015 by alreadyexists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob182 Posted November 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yup a right bunch of tossers how dare they try and create an atmosphere! Looks like a jobsworth bunch of stewards to me. If you don't want to stand or sing and want to sit there moaning all match go into the Doug Ellis please. Why go into the Holte to sit?The game vs Birmingham the whole ground looked to have stood throughout the match. It looked and sounded amazing on TV. A proper atmosphere. Ridiculous.So you don't think people should be allowed to be in the Holte if they don't plan to stand all game. Utter nonsense. I've been a season ticket holder in the Upper Holte for years and me and the people around me stay seated for most of the time, whilst also singing at the top of our voices. Obviously we stand occasionally, like everyone, when there's a near-miss or a chance in the opposite corner, but when you're surrounded by a mixture of people, including children and old people, it's inconsiderate to stand all game unless you've been specifically told 'this is the standing section'. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yup a right bunch of tossers how dare they try and create an atmosphere! That's the mythCreate an atmosphere by singing their own songs that no one else knows, I can tell you after 2 years of sitting by them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Obviously I wouldn't want any violence or threat of violence attached to it but look teams like Dortmund and St Pauli, all about the atmosphere.European games are embarrassing when you have foreign fans bouncing and singing for 90 minutes in the away end while the English home fans just sit there in silence unless they have a chance on goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Obviously I wouldn't want any violence or threat of violence attached to it but look teams like Dortmund and St Pauli, all about the atmosphere. European games are embarrassing when you have foreign fans bouncing and singing for 90 minutes in the away end while the English home fans just sit there in silence unless they have a chance on goal. The atmosphere at English games is shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Obviously I wouldn't want any violence or threat of violence attached to it but look teams like Dortmund and St Pauli, all about the atmosphere. European games are embarrassing when you have foreign fans bouncing and singing for 90 minutes in the away end while the English home fans just sit there in silence unless they have a chance on goal. The atmosphere at English games is shitThat's what I'm saying. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Anyone who has been to a game in Germany will laugh when people go on about the atmosphere at English games. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Anyone who has been to a game in Germany will laugh when people go on about the atmosphere at English games.Yep I go to Germany every year to watch Hannover and usually another game. My German friends come and watch Villa and although I took them to a great atmosphere away at Old Trafford (from the Villa fans anyway) any home games I've taken them to have been a tad embarrassing. Need to try and find them a game like Sunday's, SHA or the two Albion home games last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Even Poland, a shit league, has incredible atmospheres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I think we've had this conversation before. For me, the atmosphere at English / British football grounds is not a patch on what it used to be, and there are many factors as to why this is. However there is still a unique feel to English football, which brings fans from all over the world to our stadiums. I for one wouldn't want to lose that, so I'd not be a fan of adopting the kind of support you find on the Continent, or in South America. Supporting an English club is about spontaneity, and has a certain wit that you don't find anywhere else. Give me a guttural raw, and chant that starts at the back of the Holte and spreads around whole of the ground, over a bloke with a mega phone telling you what to sing and when, any day of the week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I think we've had this conversation before. For me, the atmosphere at English / British football grounds is not a patch on what it used to be, and there are many factors as to why this is. However there is still a unique feel to English football, which brings fans from all over the world to our stadiums. I for one wouldn't want to lose that, so I'd not be a fan of adopting the kind of support you find on the Continent, or in South America. Supporting an English club is about spontaneity, and has a certain wit that you don't find anywhere else. Give me a guttural raw, and chant that starts at the back of the Holte and spreads around whole of the ground, over a bloke with a mega phone telling you what to sing and when, any day of the week.I get what your saying and I know all the restrictions put on English football fans haven't helped but a good atmosphere from a home crowd is so rare these days. I do enjoy the 'banter' (shudder at that word) between sets of fans that seems unique to English football.It would just be better if attending a game was 50% about the match and 50% about the match day experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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