nnock1984 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Sell him and sign a proper left aided midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, nnock1984 said: Sell him and sign a proper left aided midfielder. Don't forget Andre Green 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 He looked a better player last season against better opposition. To me its his attitude. Not because hes permanent sad face.. but by how he does fark all in all games. What is it 1 goal in 18 games? Sell him to wherever he wants to go and go get someone who wants to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 I never rated him and took some stick for that. However, I did think he was coming good earlier in the season so was prepared to give him a second chance. Sadly, I think I was right first time. Does sod all and is probably on big wages. If we can find a buyer then we should let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why is it, whenever a forward thinking player is having a hard time, the go-to criticism is to call them lazy? He's not lazy, he works hard off the ball and he always has done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 12, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Why is it, whenever a forward thinking player is having a hard time, the go-to criticism is to call them lazy? He's not lazy, he works hard off the ball and he always has done. I don't think anyone has called him lazy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I've seen "not committed enough" and "his heart isn't in it" in the last two pages. I have paraphrased, I'll admit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Why is it, whenever a forward thinking player is having a hard time, the go-to criticism is to call them lazy? He's not lazy, he works hard off the ball and he always has done. I agree his workrate is top class but something seemed very off on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ok let me rephrase, why is it when a player hits a rotten patch of form the go-to criticism is often that they're not committed or that their heart isn't in it? There was something "off" on Saturday, his form is in the toilet along with his confidence it seems. He was still hustling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I seriously think the guy is mentally ill. The way he gave the ball away after we scored and the way he he wincing as though in pain - something not right there for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, hippo said: I seriously think the guy is mentally ill. The way he gave the ball away after we scored and the way he he wincing as though in pain - something not right there for me. I'm sorry? Why is wincing an indication of mental illness? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, hippo said: I seriously think the guy is mentally ill. The way he gave the ball away after we scored and the way he he wincing as though in pain - something not right there for me. Giving the ball and away and wincing in pain is a sign of mental illness? I'm getting signed off work then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just now, sexbelowsound said: Giving the ball and away and wincing in pain is a sign of mental illness? I'm getting signed off work then. SBS drops a ball on a daily basis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm sorry? Why is wincing an indication of mental illness? No - but the general way he needlessly gave the ball away 3 times in as many minutes - and his general body language suggests something isn't right. (I know thats not a precise diagnosis of mental illness - but wouldn't be at all surprised in the future to be honest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, hippo said: No - but the general way he needlessly gave the ball away 3 times in as many minutes - and his general body language suggests something isn't right. (I know thats not a precise diagnosis of mental illness - but wouldn't be at all surprised in the future to be honest) I agree his body language is crap, I just don't like people distance diagnosing mental illness, especially when the evidence is as totally non-existent as 'losing a football'. Why don't we diagnose him as crap at football instead? Seems more productive to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I agree his body language is crap, I just don't like people distance diagnosing mental illness, especially when the evidence is as totally non-existent as 'losing a football'. Why don't we diagnose him as crap at football instead? Seems more productive to me. It was\is my opinion that this a possibility. Im not stating it as fact though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 he's def not firing on all cylinders, not sure why though. He is the most frustrating player we have, but most of the time when he plays even half decent we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 His whole is not the sum of his parts. He can look absolutely fantastic, quick, very good close control and skills, can shoot and has created some goals this season. But he only does these things in flashes, ultimately what you get is a player who flatters to deceive and doesn't deliver what he is capable of. I still find it baffling that he looked a more clinical and better decision maker last season in the premier league than he does this season in the championship. Perhaps his mind is elsewhere and focused on a move in the January window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 hasn't chipped in with enough goals this season, although we do seem to miss him when he is not in the team. Frustrating player indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 14 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: His whole is not the sum of his parts. He can look absolutely fantastic, quick, very good close control and skills, can shoot and has created some goals this season. But he only does these things in flashes, ultimately what you get is a player who flatters to deceive and doesn't deliver what he is capable of. I still find it baffling that he looked a more clinical and better decision maker last season in the premier league than he does this season in the championship. Perhaps his mind is elsewhere and focused on a move in the January window? Im not seeing any of that. Whenever he has the ball i hope he gets rid of quickly and to one of our players. If he is one on one with the keeper - I don't bother getting out of my seat - I know he won't score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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