HanoiVillan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Just now, DCJonah said: Well he didn't inherit a losing team like Sherwood did, makes it easier to survive when it's not already a team on a complete downward spiral. Lambert is probably the better manager but he caused much more damage than Sherwood did at this club. Lambert was a significant reason we are in the championship. Are you sure about that? If that's the basis for your argument, that's a fairly flawed premise to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Are you sure about that? If that's the basis for your argument, that's a fairly flawed premise to begin with. Lambert inherited a poor team, but it wasn't on the kind of free fall we were on when Sherwood took over. Lambert was able to scrape survival for a couple of years, and we had an owner who was happy with having a yes man working on a budget. This allowing Lambert to stay and damage the club for 2 and half years is hardly anything to shout about. His time at villa wasn't down to his excellent managerial skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 If you could pick a moment when it went tits up for Tim, it was the Leicester game. Winning well against the eventual PL champions, then gloriously snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by means of wacky subs and tactics. After that game, the team needed a strong leader to get their heads right for the rest of the season. We never had one, not as a manager, and not on the pitch, and as result, we showed the world how to be a shitty football team and the rest is history. We never had a chance. Above, we had a destructively negligent owner who appoints staff with the condition that being a charlatan is a pre requisite. Below, we had players playing poorly, not working as a team, no leadership, and behaving like little bitches off the pitch. To complete this unholy trinity of shit, we had a manager who was clueless and incapable of standing up as a leader, or moulding and motivating a team. Tim Sherwood may have been just an ingredient in the perfect shitstorm, but he was prominent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2016 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: Kept us up and got to an fa cup final. How that proves he was a worse manager than RDM, Black and Garde, I'll never know. Also didn't do too badly at spurs. He also had around a 10 game terrible period, nothing like the 2 and a half years where Lambert cemented our unstoppable losing mentality within the club. He's shit, really shit. But no way I'd say he's the worst. If Sherwood had taken over when Garde and/or Black did his record would be as bad if not worse. He left the place in an unfixable chaos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 2 hours ago, sexbelowsound said: Er drown! All day long. I quite like the idea of going out in a blaze of glory. Running around going mental, whilst ON FIRE. Drowning = boring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Lambert inherited a poor team, but it wasn't on the kind of free fall we were on when Sherwood took over. Lambert was able to scrape survival for a couple of years, and we had an owner who was happy with having a yes man working on a budget. This allowing Lambert to stay and damage the club for 2 and half years is hardly anything to shout about. His time at villa wasn't down to his excellent managerial skills. The team Lambert inherited had stayed up on the penultimate weekend the previous season, and he was then given a pittance to spend at a time when other clubs were strengthening significantly. His managerial skills weren't 'excellent', you're right, and I was frankly glad when he got the push because that last season was horrendous. But my point is that, in crediting Sherwood with not sticking around to 'damage the club for 2 and a half years', you're being unfair to Lambert, in that he didn't get the sack earlier because he didn't go on such a terrible run of form. You're absolving Sherwood for being as shit, when in fact it's precisely because he was even shitter than Lambert that led to his swift departure. Anyway, hopefully we can both agree that the club is better off with them both in the rear-view mirrror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: As a villa fan, nothing Lambert did could match the enjoyment of that semi final. I probably enjoyed a few months under Sherwood more than any period under that loser. sure Lambert had his own semi-final to make history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: The team Lambert inherited had stayed up on the penultimate weekend the previous season, and he was then given a pittance to spend at a time when other clubs were strengthening significantly. we were quite comfortable at about March that season as well which was a massive decline by Lambert and most clubs would have sacked him we gave him a new deal soon after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Zatman said: we were quite comfortable at about March that season as well which was a massive decline by Lambert and most clubs would have sacked him we gave him a new deal soon after Are we talking about the same thing? I was talking about McLeish's season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Re the fa cup final debacle, Following his arrival Timmy adopted a very intense pressing strategy as our main (and only) tactic and favoured probably 8-9 players who started weekly. It was no doubt that this took its toll on the players fitness. We were blowing out of our arses every game but Timmy deployed the same players, effectively flogging them. We secured safety the week before the final game and two weeks ahead of the final but instead of resting our important players (benteke, delph, cleverly et al) against Bournemouth he selected a full strength team and ran them into the ground. It was no surprise that the team were jaded come the final and totally run off the park. The fact there was no viable plan b didn't help either. For me Timmy was all mouth and no trousers and will never achieve anything at management level. He is a chancer and a fraud but with a media friendly personality 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 We did have some memorable wins with lambert though though too. Remember Luna's goal with the 3-1 at the emirates. Or what about when we battered Liverpool at anfield and tekkers destroyed them? Also the wins against Chelsea were very satisfying. for me order would be in level of shitness 1) di matteo 2) sherwood 3) lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Are we talking about the same thing? I was talking about McLeish's season. oh yes my bad I read it wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) My order of shitness would be 1) Sherwood 2) di matteo 3) Black 4) Marshall 5) McL 6) McD 7) Lambert The Doc & McNeil are in there somewhere (criminals both of em) Garde gets a free ride as the players only played for him once v ManC Edited December 25, 2016 by Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Grasshopper said: My order of shitness would be 1) Sherwood 2) di matteo 3) Black 4) Marshall 5) McL 6) McD 7) Lambert The Doc & McNeil are in there somewhere (criminals both of em) Garde gets a free ride as the players only played for him once v Ma the only Villa manager in history with a 100 percent win record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Zatman said: the only Villa manager in history with a 100 percent win record? and the only guy EVER to phone a "just sacked" manager to ask him how & who to play. TS owned the 2nd half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Grasshopper said: and the only guy EVER to phone a "just sacked" manager to ask him how & who to play. TS owned the 2nd half so in your words the worst manager we ever had won a game because the 4th worst manager hadnt a clue because he got shit advice from the 7th worst manager makes sense 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted December 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2016 I thought I'd check how Tim is doing, since there's a lot of new posts here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 13 hours ago, AVTuco said: I thought I'd check how Tim is doing, since there's a lot of new posts here.... Still a useless chancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 how is he doing? Sacked the manager yet? Temporary taking over some time soon? I really hope this f**** his football career once & for all C-unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 24 December 2016 at 22:26, AJ said: If you could pick a moment when it went tits up for Tim, it was the Leicester game. Winning well against the eventual PL champions, then gloriously snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by means of wacky subs and tactics. After that game, the team needed a strong leader to get their heads right for the rest of the season. We never had one, not as a manager, and not on the pitch, and as result, we showed the world how to be a shitty football team and the rest is history. We never had a chance. Above, we had a destructively negligent owner who appoints staff with the condition that being a charlatan is a pre requisite. Below, we had players playing poorly, not working as a team, no leadership, and behaving like little bitches off the pitch. To complete this unholy trinity of shit, we had a manager who was clueless and incapable of standing up as a leader, or moulding and motivating a team. Tim Sherwood may have been just an ingredient in the perfect shitstorm, but he was prominent. This was unforgivably shit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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