The Tim Sherwood Thread

[Dodgyknees]

Although neutrals who are not affected by worry and passion were saying it was awful from us.

[Marka Ragnos]

A post that starts with sack this moron has got a load of likes, the day after we've progressed in the cup after beating our local rivals. From some who didn't want Lambert to go. Amazing. 

I think people are really jumping on the chance to take the piss, Sherwood didn't say the plan was to play badly and get booed off, he said the plan was to play direct in order to push their defence back and set up space for us in the second half with a different approach. I'm not sure I buy it, but its certainly not worth the stick some can't wait to dish out after we've beaten Birmingham city in a cup competition. 

This amount of stick for a guy who has had 7 games with HIS squad is absolutely ridiculous. It's the sort of stuff I'd expect from Newcastle fans, after 5 years of utter shit I really don't know why fans won't get behind such massive changes, that most wanted and were over the **** moon with. 

Change yes, this clown no.  IMO he got lucky last season keeping us up, with the new manger effect and his motivational player talks.  These only lasts for so long, and yes, i would take Lambert everyday of the week over this second hand car dealer of a manager.  He may be pulling the wool over your eyes with what comes out of his trap but he isnt mine.  Tactics, substitutions, making a fool of himself when he talks, the list goes on...

I sort of love how he prompts such over-the-top reactions. You're out-Timming Tim, mate. 

[mjmooney]

I kinda like him.

[thunderball]

Yes we have had dubious substitutions, team selections and interviews but he will gave to do a hell of a lot worse to provoke "Sherwood Out" from me. He hasn't even had a game with his full squad available yet, let alone time to bring half a new starting 11 up to speed. 

What I have seen is the dire football under Lambert gone and some interesting and brave players signed, that will take time in what is the most competitive league in the world. It is a mountain to climb. Give me banter style interviews rather than the monotone "we go again" any day.

Also, other than against West Brom and Last night's first half, we have looked 'competitive' in each game this season, despite lacking the cutting edge. 

We all know how rubbish Lescott was last night, he protected him in his post match interview by saying he will need to be rested and looked after given his age. It wasn't challenged as BS by the interviewer which it blatantly was.

unless we look like we have fallen off a cliff at Christmas he should be allowed time to work with his squad.

[Zatman]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

[Dodgyknees]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

nobody was worried about our result, just the Jekyll and Hyde tactics.

[Zatman]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

nobody was worried about our result, just the Jekyll and Hyde tactics.

Ive seen comments like we only beat a 3rd rate Championship team(which they are in fairness) but for teams like that its their cup final

[HeyAnty]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

Yeah and Norwich making our result at weekend look even worse

[Zatman]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

Yeah and Norwich making our result at weekend look even worse

If it was the same WBA 11

 

only Dawson played from the weekend

Edited September 23, 2015 by Zatman

[TRO]

Sack this moron before its to late.  First half was worst performance ive ever saw from a Villa side and thats saying something!

 

We are finding it a tad hard to believe that a Premier League manager’s plan against Championship opposition was to let them think they were much, much better…

When Alex McLeish is in the Sky Sports studio baffled at the amateurish nature of Aston Villa’s first-half performance, you know things are going badly. One shot on target badly. Just 72% pass completion badly. Hit hopeful/hopeless balls towards the head of Rudy Gestede (who has defiantly not got a good touch for a big man) badly. Dwight Yorke seemed almost close to tears as he talked about a basic lack of quality in a Villa side playing against Championship Birmingham and looking very much second best.

Centre-half Ciaran Clark was predictably lost in midfield (while actual midfielder Carlos Sanchez was sat on the bench), the ball was bouncing off Gestede, Scott Sinclair was continuing his love affair with hitting the side netting from a very tight angle and Gabby Agbonlahor looked like he was playing with the weight of all his ladyfriends on his back.

At half-time something had to change. And it did. Agbonlahor came off for Jordan Ayew, while Joleon Lescott was substituted and replaced by Jack Grealish, who entirely changed the match by moving in between Birmingham’s lines, linking with Ayew and wonderful left-back Jordan Amavi and generally playing football. Things were better. Two shots on target (one of which was a goal) better. An impressive 85.5% pass completion better. Not brilliant, not groundbreaking, but much, much better.

We expected manager Tim Sherwood – after being widely criticised for his bizarre substitutions against Crystal Palace and Leicester – to soak up the applause for making positive changes while acknowledging that the first half was truly awful. ‘I fixed it’ should have been the proud boast, and we would have said ‘fair play; he fixed it’.

But no. ‘I planned it’ was the proud boast. Yorke’s distraught face was an absolute picture as Sherwood explained that he had planned to be so utterly terrible in the first half in order to lull Birmingham into a false sense of security. Apparently his plan at home against a Championship side in a derby game was an extended version of rope-a-dope.

“The plan worked,” said Sherwood with a straight face. “We went two different ways. First half, we looked to stretch them out, go very direct.

“Second half, they could not cope with the change. We looked to get the ball down, we popped it around, and found space in between lines. Before you know it, the ball is in the back of the net, because Grealish has got in between lines and flicked it out.

“We always want to play free-flowing football but sometimes you’re not capable of doing that. We let them know that we are willing to mix it up. It wasn’t pretty, we understand that, but we are looking to get a result.

“Second half, I think if you look at the position of their centre-halves, they pushed another 10 yards further back, and they could not adjust.”

So it was a cunning plan. A cunning plan that relied entirely on Birmingham not scoring in that opening 45 minutes when Jacques Maghoma and Demarai Gray failed to convert very good chances gifted to them by Villa’s incompetence. That’s one ballsy plan.

We would happily call bullsh*t at this point but that would obviously look churlish after a 1-0 win. So we will instead leave the last word to Birmingham manager Gary Rowett:

“I have heard Tim said he purposely let us do that in the first half so they could change tactics in the second half but I’m not sure a tactic of getting booed at half-time would particularly be a good one.”

Indeed

                    That is a very distorted view of what Sherwood was implying......and whilst blue noses want to 

interpret things to suit them as a villa fan I'm surprised you want to join in.

                      Whether Tim Sherwood chose his words well, is another debate.....but he chose to get ugly in the first half.....that does not mean he intended to get booed and does not mean he intended to offer the game to the opposition.

                        The quality of our game in the first half was undoubtedly lacking quality......but the argument is drifting towards you are buggered if you do and buggered if you don't.

                       Let's see if we can make a better account of ourselves against  Southampton.

[HeyAnty]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

Yeah and Norwich making our result at weekend look even worse

If it was the same WBA 11

 

only Dawson played from the weekend

Never checkec to be honest.  I assume liverpool and newcastle had full strenght teams out then

[Zatman]

Liverpool and Newcastle making our result last night look even better

Yeah and Norwich making our result at weekend look even worse

If it was the same WBA 11

 

only Dawson played from the weekend

Never checkec to be honest.  I assume liverpool and newcastle had full strenght teams out then

DOnt think Rodgers or McLaren know their full strength team but most of their good players have played for both of them

[Villarocker]

The way I saw last night was; Good start, started hitting stupid long balls to Gestede, who couldn't flick them on or hold it up, gave the ball away needlessly, was lucky to go in level. Second half; came flying out, had some great individual performances, scored a good goal, took our foot off the gas, played counter attack, lucky not to concede, wasted good attacking chances by taking it into the corner. 

I'm not sure Sherwood is being honest about his tactics but he can be happy with the subs he made.

I think he's still trying to get his best eleven together and will need a further 5 or 6 weeks to get there.

[Marka Ragnos]

There's something about this thread that I really, really, really hate.

It's driving me batshit crazy -- the repetitive cycle of Good Tim Bad Tim Good Tim Bad Tim.

And yet I can't seem to stop myself from having a look every ten minutes.

[gharperr]

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Edited September 23, 2015 by gharperr

[CrackpotForeigner]

There's something about this thread that I really, really, really hate.

It's driving me batshit crazy -- the repetitive cycle of Good Tim Bad Tim Good Tim Bad Tim.

And yet I can't seem to stop myself from having a look every ten minutes.

Here you go then, 10 or so minutes later:

For me, there isn't yet a Good or a Bad Tim: It's good, but possibly fatally-flawed Tim, and we just have to wait and see if he really is fatally flawed.

[gilbertoAVFC]

The way I saw last night was; Good start, started hitting stupid long balls to Gestede, who couldn't flick them on or hold it up, gave the ball away needlessly, was lucky to go in level. Second half; came flying out, had some great individual performances, scored a good goal, took our foot off the gas, played counter attack, lucky not to concede, wasted good attacking chances by taking it into the corner. 

I'm not sure Sherwood is being honest about his tactics but he can be happy with the subs he made.

I think he's still trying to get his best eleven together and will need a further 5 or 6 weeks to get there.

it was a bit difficult to get the subs wrong tbh when picked such a weird line up in the first place...

Anyway, talk of him going is stupid. He's making mistakes but he has a lot of talent in his squad and has bought well. Give the young players chance to settle, Tim to get to know them, and judge at Xmas. He's been with us barely six months.

[lexicon]

I find it odd how important some people find post-match interviews from the managers we've had. I guess that's because I'm more concerned about what I'm seeing on the pitch than a soundbite or an excuse - Lambert used to always come under fire because he wasn't a media personality and Sherwood seems to have some supporters because of his 'cheeky banter' demeanour. I just don't get why it's important.

[Marka Ragnos]

There's something about this thread that I really, really, really hate.

It's driving me batshit crazy -- the repetitive cycle of Good Tim Bad Tim Good Tim Bad Tim.

And yet I can't seem to stop myself from having a look every ten minutes.

 

Here you go then, 10 or so minutes later:

For me, there isn't yet a Good or a Bad Tim: It's good, but possibly fatally-flawed Tim, and we just have to wait and see if he really is fatally flawed.

Now that's almost fanatically sensible. 

[ozvillafan]

I find it odd how important some people find post-match interviews from the managers we've had. I guess that's because I'm more concerned about what I'm seeing on the pitch than a soundbite or an excuse - Lambert used to always come under fire because he wasn't a media personality and Sherwood seems to have some supporters because of his 'cheeky banter' demeanour. I just don't get why it's important.

It's probably the only chance we get to "see inside the manager's head"...

... but the sheer repetitiveness, inanity and hidden agenda of the questions posed by the press means we shouldn't take anything said to heart.