DCJonah Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Tim Sherwood set out to take the sting out of what is a vibrant Birmingham city team who are flying in the championship....They are on the front foot and despite our partisan approach to the game you have to give them a bit of credit.We have seen far worse teams than Blues turn us over at Villa Park.Its folly to accuse him of setting out to play like that and to say he set the team up to get booed is quite ridiculous......He got it right last night and we are still debating him.We have been playing well in spells this season despite the results being pants and now we have the result and some are bitching about the first half......( I have never been interested in first halves) we could get relegated on good first halves and poor second halves of every game.It is starting to sound like heads you are crap Tim...Oh Tails you are crap TimSome Fans didn't like Ron Saunders.....They are never going to change if they don't like Tim. It's not a case of disliking the manager - he just does himself no favours.The changes worked, and he deserves credit for that, but this wasn't a good game. The first half was woeful, to come out after the game and essentially say "yeah, that was the plan" is ludicrous. If his interview was more complementary towards Blues and saying he had to change things up because of the way things were going, people would be saying he did well and we wouldn't have such fuss. He didn't do this.Why is it folly to accuse him of setting out to play like that when he himself said in that silly interview that that was what he did?And as you say, better teams than them have turned us over at Villa Park, so he was taking one helluva chance. The starting lineup looked poor, particularly with Clark in midfield, so no surprise we were so bad. We were lucky not to be behind at HT. We won, and of course that is brilliant, especially that second half performance, and hopefully that might be a springboard for our upcoming games. To me, he is guilty of over-thinking things, instead of just keeping it simple. He was a lucky boy last night, and it may not always be so.I said myself at half time that it was utter **** shit. I just don't get the eagerness to mock him and want him gone, when we've just won a really important game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 You are obsessed with Lambert.If you say so. He was the last manager and it was the fact his biggest fans are the ones jumping on Sherwood so early that I find amazing. Nothng really to do with Paul Lambert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted September 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2015 He is cocky and arrogant and clearly has way more self belief than most. He comes across as being a terrible loser and spouts the odd bit of wacky crap to excuse failings of his team and himself.Opposing teams fans will hate him due to all of the above. A blues fan said as much to me in work this morning and I just gave a wry smile as was loving the fact that on top of beating the scum our manager had also wound them up.If he was manager of another team I'd hate the arrogant bastard myself. He manages my team though and for now I am loving his arrogant attitude, the way he bigs up himself, his players, the fans and the club as a whole. We have been way too meek for way too long and been happy to not only roll over and have our bellies tickled but then be too apologetic and accepting of it. I don't know if Sherwoods outwardly arrogant winning mentality and self belief will be enough to lift the club as other failings of his and beyond his control may put paid to that. Given what we have been through the last few years though, with managers ooozing self pity, then for me in terms of his attitude Sherwood is a breath of fresh air and exactly what was needed. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 If he wins games, I don't care. But if he is making mistakes and coming out with absolute bollocks, it bothers me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Overall i think i like him.It was utter shite what he come out with last night, but the players hes brought in, the potential we have considering who we have lost, and the amount of exciting players we have is quite exciting, as long as they have time to develop/gel.Gil/Grealish/Traore look as good as any footballer i have seen down VP in the last 20 years.Veretout and Ayew are at least looking as if they are worth the money we paid for them, and Avami and Richards look good signings as well.Its going to be a roller coaster with Sherwood, but since BFR it has become a bit depressing down VP tbh.This. We have been starved of a big personality for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2015 You are obsessed with Lambert.If you say so. He was the last manager and it was the fact his biggest fans are the ones jumping on Sherwood so early that I find amazing. Nothng really to do with Paul Lambert. You're the only one making those connections (a connection that I don't even think is true as of the people who liked the post in question, I'd say only Richard stands out as a big Lambert supporter). Lambert's gone. People are forming their own opinions independent of who has come in the past.Let it go. You'll feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 He deserves the praise for the changes yesterday like he deserved the criticism for the bad changes in previous games.Its a new team and it has shown in glimpses, great potential. We need to be more consistent and it is a results business but I'm still far more optimistic now then I was, say, in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Tim Sherwood set out to take the sting out of what is a vibrant Birmingham city team who are flying in the championship....They are on the front foot and despite our partisan approach to the game you have to give them a bit of credit.We have seen far worse teams than Blues turn us over at Villa Park.Its folly to accuse him of setting out to play like that and to say he set the team up to get booed is quite ridiculous......He got it right last night and we are still debating him.We have been playing well in spells this season despite the results being pants and now we have the result and some are bitching about the first half......( I have never been interested in first halves) we could get relegated on good first halves and poor second halves of every game.It is starting to sound like heads you are crap Tim...Oh Tails you are crap TimSome Fans didn't like Ron Saunders.....They are never going to change if they don't like Tim. It's not a case of disliking the manager - he just does himself no favours.The changes worked, and he deserves credit for that, but this wasn't a good game. The first half was woeful, to come out after the game and essentially say "yeah, that was the plan" is ludicrous. If his interview was more complementary towards Blues and saying he had to change things up because of the way things were going, people would be saying he did well and we wouldn't have such fuss. He didn't do this.Why is it folly to accuse him of setting out to play like that when he himself said in that silly interview that that was what he did?And as you say, better teams than them have turned us over at Villa Park, so he was taking one helluva chance. The starting lineup looked poor, particularly with Clark in midfield, so no surprise we were so bad. We were lucky not to be behind at HT. We won, and of course that is brilliant, especially that second half performance, and hopefully that might be a springboard for our upcoming games. To me, he is guilty of over-thinking things, instead of just keeping it simple. He was a lucky boy last night, and it may not always be so.I said myself at half time that it was utter **** shit. I just don't get the eagerness to mock him and want him gone, when we've just won a really important game. Very few want him gone, and I am certainly not one of them, but I did find that interview to be very silly. And I am not mocking him, I was embarrassed for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Where did that article even come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shomin Geki Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 He's an absolute bell end to be fair.....I think he's a dick. That's probably why some people dislike him more than is rationalMust admit I like the guy. OK he is a bit cocky and arrogant sometimes, but a manager has to be confident in themselves and what they are doing. He only speaks highly of the Villa fans and the club as far as I can tell and he seems passionate and committed to trying to drag the club out mire. So why is he an absolute bell end? Genuinely interested to know why some fans dislike him so much, what exactly has he done?There's something of the try-too-hard, no-nonsense Ronseal man about Sherwood. If he leaves our fences all nice and rich and protected that's wonderful. But if we open the tin and find all we've got is just brown acrylic paint people are going to be pissed. And sometimes people are wary that what it says on the tin isn't quite what's inside. No matter how raffishly charming the rhetoric. It can sometimes come across as a little passive aggressive, which is often the sad-eyed, angry Essex man way of bullshitting. It's my stomping ground, I've seen it many a time. But I've also seen the winning, motivating, invigorating side of the likes of Tim. Here's hoping Tim knows what he's doing when those harsh January rains roll in.Plus we've not had a fence we could be proud of for some time. And we can hear the neighbours tutting next door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Where did that article even come from?Not sure that was an article. But I was referring to his interview after the match with Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted September 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2015 He's an absolute bell end to be fair.....I think he's a dick. That's probably why some people dislike him more than is rationalMust admit I like the guy. OK he is a bit cocky and arrogant sometimes, but a manager has to be confident in themselves and what they are doing. He only speaks highly of the Villa fans and the club as far as I can tell and he seems passionate and committed to trying to drag the club out mire. So why is he an absolute bell end? Genuinely interested to know why some fans dislike him so much, what exactly has he done?There's something of the try-too-hard, no-nonsense Ronseal man about Sherwood. If he leaves our fences all nice and rich and protected that's wonderful. But if we open the tin and find all we've got is just brown acrylic paint people are going to be pissed. And sometimes people are wary that what it says on the tin isn't quite what's inside. No matter how raffishly charming the rhetoric. It can sometimes come across as a little passive aggressive, which is often the sad-eyed, angry Essex man way of bullshitting. It's my stomping ground, I've seen it many a time. But I've also seen the winning, motivating, invigorating side of the likes of Tim. Here's hoping Tim knows what he's doing when those harsh January rains roll in.Plus we've not had a fence we could be proud of for some time. And we can hear the neighbours tutting next door.The Ronseal man is flattered by your lavish extended metaphor. I salute you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 A post that starts with sack this moron has got a load of likes, the day after we've progressed in the cup after beating our local rivals. From some who didn't want Lambert to go. Amazing. I think people are really jumping on the chance to take the piss, Sherwood didn't say the plan was to play badly and get booed off, he said the plan was to play direct in order to push their defence back and set up space for us in the second half with a different approach. I'm not sure I buy it, but its certainly not worth the stick some can't wait to dish out after we've beaten Birmingham city in a cup competition. This amount of stick for a guy who has had 7 games with HIS squad is absolutely ridiculous. It's the sort of stuff I'd expect from Newcastle fans, after 5 years of utter shit I really don't know why fans won't get behind such massive changes, that most wanted and were over the **** moon with. Change yes, this clown no. IMO he got lucky last season keeping us up, with the new manger effect and his motivational player talks. These only lasts for so long, and yes, i would take Lambert everyday of the week over this second hand car dealer of a manager. He may be pulling the wool over your eyes with what comes out of his trap but he isnt mine. Tactics, substitutions, making a fool of himself when he talks, the list goes on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 You are obsessed with Lambert.If you say so. He was the last manager and it was the fact his biggest fans are the ones jumping on Sherwood so early that I find amazing. Nothng really to do with Paul Lambert. You're the only one making those connections (a connection that I don't even think is true as of the people who liked the post in question, I'd say only Richard stands out as a big Lambert supporter). Lambert's gone. People are forming their own opinions independent of who has come in the past.Let it go. You'll feel better.I feel good, the manager I like led us to beating our rivals in a cup. That advice might be best saved for those mocking the manager after such an excellent result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 A post that starts with sack this moron has got a load of likes, the day after we've progressed in the cup after beating our local rivals. From some who didn't want Lambert to go. Amazing. I think people are really jumping on the chance to take the piss, Sherwood didn't say the plan was to play badly and get booed off, he said the plan was to play direct in order to push their defence back and set up space for us in the second half with a different approach. I'm not sure I buy it, but its certainly not worth the stick some can't wait to dish out after we've beaten Birmingham city in a cup competition. This amount of stick for a guy who has had 7 games with HIS squad is absolutely ridiculous. It's the sort of stuff I'd expect from Newcastle fans, after 5 years of utter shit I really don't know why fans won't get behind such massive changes, that most wanted and were over the **** moon with. Change yes, this clown no. IMO he got lucky last season keeping us up, with the new manger effect and his motivational player talks. These only lasts for so long, and yes, i would take Lambert everyday of the week over this second hand car dealer of a manager. He may be pulling the wool over your eyes with what comes out of his trap but he isnt mine. Tactics, substitutions, making a fool of himself when he talks, the list goes on...Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Where did that article even come from?Not sure that was an article. But I was referring to his interview after the match with Sky. I might be being thick but that doesn't really answer my question. Why would the person that posted it not be sure if it was an article or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazvfc Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 He really does talk a load of old shite, doesn't he.so do a hell of a lot of fans too. (Not specifically aimed at you but in general). I would say more so than sherwood does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RoyalVilla Posted September 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2015 Heard his interview and thought it sounded ok. Playing direct to push the defensive line back to eventually create space is not exactly some hair brained scheme after all. Chelsea used to do it with Drogba for example, though in fairness they would try to transition a bit quicker. Ignorant fans don't help though (i.e. boos).Sherwood also had to consider fitness and rotation, so thought it all worked out ok and we were able to come away with some positives but most importantly the win. i don't always agree with Sherwood's tactics but then he'll have forgotten way more about football than I'll ever know + he's an inexperienced manager and this is an inexperienced team which needs to develop a lot.So far he's exceeded my expectations both at the end of last season and in the transfer market, so I think he deserves a fair crack at developing this team and getting it right, which I do not expect to be a quick process. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Where did that article even come from?Not sure that was an article. But I was referring to his interview after the match with Sky. I might be being thick but that doesn't really answer my question. Why would the person that posted it not be sure if it was an article or not?It is probably me, but my quoting is all over the show. The article, if that is what it was, was posted by HeyAnty. I was responding to you. How weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I just watched the extended highlights of the first half (about 15 mins) and actually, watching it calm, not nervous and knowing we win, it didn't seem as bad as i remember. We played great football to create the cross that gabby nearly got on the end of, we played some nice stuff to get gabby wide, who delivered a poor cross and we played some nice stuff when the ball fell to Gestede who wasn't ready. At the game I really felt we'd done nothing good, but I think that was more to do with how anxious and worked up I was. Not for a second going to argue the first half was good but it really didn't seem as bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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