Isa Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) 'Gloating' is the latest in a long line of tags to be thrown around at will I see...yawn! Edited April 12, 2014 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 What is that Palace team sheet? I don't think they'd guess we'd go 5-3-2 would they? Must have been produced after line up announced? Baker: Will dive recklessly into tackles. Big weakness. Clark: Loves a pass back to Guzan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Only the sha fans are `Gloating` at our current misfortunes. Even in their own desperate plight they still take great satisfaction & delight at our adversity. They will always be worse than us. Or on a more positive note, we will always be far better than them. SOTC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Some posters on this thread seem to think that unless you've wanted Lambert out since Christmas, you're not allowed to want him out ever.Silly if anybody is giving that impression. More people realising Lambert isn't very good, no matter how late, can only be a positive thing in my book.Realising? Ridiculous. People have him a chance, maybe because we've beaten Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City this year, under a strict budget and with injury problems. It's nothing to do with us lowly people finally realising what you 'and your ilk' already knew. It's the fact that we've given him a chance instead of writing him off. Managers have been written off before, and later proven to be a revelation. Just because some of us don't want wholesale changes every time the going gets tough, doesn't mean we're not realising what you have all along.Oh sorry. Only people finally deciding to turn on him now have given him a chance. You obviously get to decide where the line is drawn between 'writing him off' and 'giving him a chance'. My 18 months obviously falls short in this regard.Haha well said.Haha well said, pat on the back buddy, let's gloat at how great we are because we write off every manager and then when he leaves (because no manager stays forever) we will be right. No. Before you climb into bed together, where did I say I've written him off? Love how you can make the wild assumption he has written off every manager we've ever had in order "to be right". Yet get pissy when you feel he's made the assumption you've written the manager off, which your post could easily be interpreted to mean tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobler Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Only the sha fans are `Gloating` at our current misfortunes. Even in their own desperate plight they still take great satisfaction & delight at our adversity. They will always be worse than us. Or on a more positive note, we will always be far better than them. SOTC. They're ominously dangling 3 points above the Championship relegation zone, it's beyond grim for them. It's hard times for us but their ongoing tragic existence is eternal. I wouldn't worry about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Love how you can make the wild assumption he has written off every manager we've ever had in order "to be right". Yet get pissy when you feel he's made the assumption you've written the manager off, which your post could easily be interpreted to mean tbh. He's funny because I never ever 'wrote off' Houllier anyway, even through the hard times. I will happily show patience when I believe in the manager. Edited April 13, 2014 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? How about Back Paul Lambert. He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. Next you'll be telling me that he was responsible for rupturing Benteke's achilles, breaking Kozak's leg & putting Okore out for practically the whole season. There are still many fans who recognise just how difficult a job that it is that he has under taken & as he states himself he is trying to turn round an oil tanker. Get real VT - It is a long term project. It's tough at the moment, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going. `We go again` Lambert in. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. We can't help him to suddenly gain tactical ability, a suitable philosophy and greater astuteness in the market I'm afraid. I wish we could though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nobler Posted April 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2014 As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? How about Back Paul Lambert. He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. Next you'll be telling me that he was responsible for rupturing Benteke's achilles, breaking Kozak's leg & putting Okore out for practically the whole season. There are still many fans who recognise just how difficult a job that it is that he has under taken & as he states himself he is trying to turn round an oil tanker. Get real VT - It is a long term project. It's tough at the moment, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going. `We go again` Lambert in. Because maybe now 90% of the fan base that has now turned after nearly two years can't see any progress; they can't see a manager with any sort of tactical nous or ability to rectify problems on the pitch, with one plan and no plan B. They see a squad continuously desperate for confidence, players who dip in and out of form on a level which never even thought was possible. It's all very well blaming absolutely everything on financial restrictions but you can still be constricted financially but show signs of something to hold on to and stick with, be a cohesive unit, that's hard to beat and break down with average players (i.e Palace). The man just seems like a random con man who landed a top job and is just so far out of his depth he's just a lost child. Yes, there are a lot of unreasonable fans but there are also a huge amount of football fans that understand football and understand what is going on around them and I admire the few valiantly fighting Lambert's cause but I can't for the life of me understand what grounds you have to keep defending.. What have you seen that makes you think with more time he will turn this around, there's just nothing. I don't get it. I think it's got to a point where people have lowered expectations to try to be realists but they've lowered them so much that they believe that a back to back win once a season deserves a new 5 year deal. Losing 10 games at home is perfectly acceptable. To break virtually every losing record in the entire club's history is just something to swat away as nothing. We are just an absolute mess at the moment, not a team, we have no shape, the players are confused. Why on earth would you ever accept this. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. We can't help him to suddenly gain tactical ability, a suitable philosophy and greater astuteness in the market I'm afraid. I wish we could though... No.We couldn't help him because we are incapable. Not one single poster on VT knows more about tactical ability, a suitable philosophy or greater footballing astuteness than Paul Lambert, but we could however at least grasp the reality of the demands & pressures that he & the team are currently under & get 100% behind the whole club & give them our vocal backing & support. It's easy to sing when you're winning, but, right now, as things stand, the club needs our support. We are the 12th man so let's bloody well prove it. I wonder what Paul Lambert would think of some of the really negative posters here on VT. " Thank you for your wonderful support!" would definitely not be one of them I'm sure.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I wonder what Paul Lambert would think of some of the really negative posters here on VT. " Thank you for your wonderful support!" would definitely not be one of them I'm sure.. Well seeing as he has been afforded more patience than any other Villa manager that I can think of, he should be grateful that it has taken this long for the tide to turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobler Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 He's had phenomenal support over the two years. Mainly because I think we've all really wanted him to succeed here. I genuinely don't think any other club currently in the league would have been so patient. Certainly considering how absolutely appalling we've been at home. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaAndLoyal Posted April 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2014 As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? How about Back Paul Lambert. He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. Next you'll be telling me that he was responsible for rupturing Benteke's achilles, breaking Kozak's leg & putting Okore out for practically the whole season. There are still many fans who recognise just how difficult a job that it is that he has under taken & as he states himself he is trying to turn round an oil tanker. Get real VT - It is a long term project. It's tough at the moment, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going. `We go again` Lambert in. Ha ha oh dear, what planet are you on? There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start. I think it's you who needs to get real and stop flogging a dead horse. The away support collectively came to the conclusion that many of us came to months ago today and yet there are STILL people trying to put a positive spin on this weekly diatribe!? You say in hope (or desperation) that this is "a long term project" but what has Lambert shown you in 2 seasons that suggests things are even (slowly) going in the right direction? We are getting worse and without Benteke to single-handedly save this woeful collection of footballers our manager looks like a little lost puppy on the sidelines. Tony Pulis hasn't had the money Lambert has had, and yet he seems capable of adopting a philosophy and gameplan and sticking to it. We have nothing under Lambert - the football is as bad as McLeish but with even less of a footballing philosophy. It is dire. Lambert has broken more negative 'records' throughout his tenure than I care to remember and the ONLY single thing keeping him in his job is Randy Lerner. He'd have been fired long ago at any other Premier League club. People can bang on about him not having much money to spend as much as you like; it just doesn't wash. Other manager's have done far better with far less and the simple fact is that Lambert isolates big-name players (Bent) in favour of Championship fodder (Holt), is tactically inept, has no philosophy, cannot motivate the players, has no plan-B, is completely uninspiring and this job is too big for him. Simple as that. So you carry on banging on about Lambert's "long term project" as much as you like but the away fans spoke today and we all know there's never any way back from that... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 The pro Lambert crap spouted on here is nothing more than pathetic vitriol intended to get a rise out of the anti Lambert(and therefore righteous) fan base,every pro Lambert post must be read with your tongue in your cheek for I cannot believe they truly think any progress has been made,but,they have backed a dead horse and feel they must defend their corner to the bitter end.I personally will believe what my own eyes see and shed a few tears for what was once a great club. WE GO AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAndLoyal Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Agreed, either vitriol or there's some good crack being smoked in the Midlands at the moment. No serious fan, who watches us week in week out, can honestly think Paul 'uninspiring' Lambert is a.) Doing a good job, b.) Likely to do a good job, or c.) has a way back with the fans now. He's a dead man walking and not before time. We're about to be relegated... Edited April 13, 2014 by VillaAndLoyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avflife Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Shocking formation (again) yesterday, to stubborn regarding substitutions, clueless for thinking we aren't in a relegation battle, deluded to think we actually matched Palace and would rather bullshit excuses than actually expect any responsibility for the state of the club, Lambert out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 The Southampton game is huge, our supporters need to leave their feelings to one side and back the team for a full ninety minutes. We need everybody to do their bit on Saturday, it will only aid our efforts to win. The pro Lambert crap spouted on here is nothing more than pathetic vitriol intended to get a rise out of the anti Lambert(and therefore righteous) fan base Not at all, I can assure you. All VTers are one big unhappy family at the moment. We are all hurting and demoralised with events on the pitch, not only this season, but for the last three previously. It is perfectly natural to have differing opinions regarding Lambert. I believe Lambert's job is the toughest in the Premiership given the circumstances at the club, but that is only one man's evaluation, other people had different expectations and beliefs. It is important to remember we are all Villa supporters. In the next few weeks and months there is going to be extensive changes occurring at the club from the top to the bottom. The Happy days will be back at VP, we need to look forward not back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14K_away Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) No.We couldn't help him because we are incapable. Not one single poster on VT knows more about tactical ability, a suitable philosophy or greater footballing astuteness than Paul Lambert, but we could however at least grasp the reality of the demands & pressures that he & the team are currently under & get 100% behind the whole club & give them our vocal backing & support. It's easy to sing when you're winning, but, right now, as things stand, the club needs our support. We are the 12th man so let's bloody well prove it. I wonder what Paul Lambert would think of some of the really negative posters here on VT. " Thank you for your wonderful support!" would definitely not be one of them I'm sure.. "Not one single poster on VT knows more about tactical ability, a suitable philosophy or greater footballing astuteness than Paul Lambert" Is there another human on the planet who would have waited that late to make the (by then pointless) substitutions ? anyone .... ..... thought not. [taking about the Palace game specifically but could be applied to others] Till now I thought previous bad tactics/subs had been mistakes or circumstance or a bad gamble of some description but have had to give up on that , absolutely clueless, even the missus asked where the `funny looking skinny one [she meant Albrighton]` was .. and `the good looking German [she meant Weimann (& yes I know)]` .. to be fair my missus would only play the good looking ones... which itself would create its own problems .. though maybe Holt would get on the front cover of Farmers weekly ?, but if she could see it ...??? Actually Holt, had a go and worked hard and after the last 2 games I feel kind of bad for calling him porky cos at least he is trying! "Not one single poster on VT knows more about tactical ability, a suitable philosophy or greater footballing astuteness than Paul Lambert" Sorry, but my missus does, yes she wears Jimmy Choos and spends more on handbags and shoes than Lerner allows Lambert to buy players .. but thats about the only defence left I had for Lambert after this years run , and even thats not enough any more. Please defend the substitutions and keep a straight face... you can't, sorry "& get 100% behind the whole club & give them our vocal backing & support." agreed, anyone booing the VIlla should be ejected cerimoniously or otherwise, but someone needs to let Lerner know that Lambert is going to cost him money one way or another. Edited April 13, 2014 by 14K_away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? How about Back Paul Lambert. He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. Next you'll be telling me that he was responsible for rupturing Benteke's achilles, breaking Kozak's leg & putting Okore out for practically the whole season. There are still many fans who recognise just how difficult a job that it is that he has under taken & as he states himself he is trying to turn round an oil tanker. Get real VT - It is a long term project. It's tough at the moment, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going. `We go again` Lambert in. 9/10 for rhetorical questions, stating the obvious, meaningless, shrill hyperbole and cliches. Yes, lovely use of juicy cliches. Oh, yes, I'm forgetting the wonderful employment of the return key to ensure clarity and add punch. 0/10 for any of that persuading me that Lambert is up to the job and that he should be here next season. He has had two years and we have not got any better. This is his team, playing his tactics and both he and they have been found wanting. I don't want to see us change manager again but, whether we escape the drop again or not, we need to. The job is too big for him. Just like his MONtor, he has a glass ceiling. Limited in his thinking and abilities. He does the same shit MON did. Inflexible tactics - or what passes for them; late worthless, substitutions; get lucky with the odd good result against a decent team that flatters to deceive. He got lucky, he did well at Norwich, hit his current limits but nobody realised it at the time, got headhunted and promoted beyond his ability and has failed. It happens in many industries but it doesn't mean he won't eventually become a better manager than he is now. However, he needs to do his improving elsewhere. I don't care where he does it as long as it's not here. This is the club I've supported for decades and it isn't a place for relatively novice managers to cut their teeth - or **** novice owners for that matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post P3te Posted April 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) As for those suggesting sack Paul Lambert? How about Back Paul Lambert. He is our current manager & needs all the help he can get. Next you'll be telling me that he was responsible for rupturing Benteke's achilles, breaking Kozak's leg & putting Okore out for practically the whole season. There are still many fans who recognise just how difficult a job that it is that he has under taken & as he states himself he is trying to turn round an oil tanker. Get real VT - It is a long term project. It's tough at the moment, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going. `We go again` Lambert in. I've been behind Paul for a long time now. I'll happily agree that his hands are tied in many respects, and the injuries certainly haven't helped. It's a young side that's been built around potential, and with that comes massive inconsistency, that's par for the course at this stage in any project. However, when you have 3 fit CBs at the club, and you start them all in one game against the weakest offence in the league, there's something very wrong. Not only was it the wrong tactics, it was absolutely braindead as it puts you in a very awkward situation for trying to change things in the game. As I said in the match thread, once we started with those 3 we couldn't actually take any of them off until very late on. Let's say he had taken Baker off at half time and one of Clark or Vlaar got injured, suddenly you've got nobody there to replace them, because you don't have a CB on the bench. That's schoolyboy stuff and there's no place for it in the top flight. Couple that with the fact that there was absolutely no logic in playing a system with 3 central defenders, no width and a front man who is only remotely useful if you're sending crosses into him and the whole thing was a shambles. It's not been the first time, but before I could always see some kind of logic in doing it, and it looked like PL was simply taking that rather leftfield approach. There was no such logic against Palace. It stunk of a manager who was terrified to lose a game, and as such sent out a team that is almost guaranteed to lose by playing that system. That's not the work of a manager who has any confidence in himself or his players. We're a midtable team, I've been saying it since the start of the season, however we're being managed like a newly promoted side desperate to just about stay up. We know we can actually go and give teams a game, but it would appear that the manager is now so scared of losing that he's taken McLeish's approach of "try not to lose" instead of "try to win". In football, every time you've got possession it's a goal scoring opportunity. For us, that's not the case. We get the ball, then we let the other team organize themselves at the back, and then we try to pass it through them when we neither have the passers nor the movers to actually make that happen. With the players we have, I don't for one minute believe we're a team that should be rolled over by the bottom teams so regularly, nor do I think it would happen if we had a manager that was tactically smart. We were making progress under PL, no doubt about it. He's done good work in getting the wages down and keeping us standing relatively still on the pitch, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. However he's also built a team that should be performing better than it is, and he's continued to use them poorly, with tactics that make no sense and a lack of substitutions. He doesn't look like he knows how to change anything, which wouldn't be so bad if the tactics weren't so bloody easy to defend against most of the time. Given the way we set up at kick off, we're a team that NEEDS to change things. In fact, we're almost tailor made for a manager who has us keep it tight til half time at 0-0, then changes the play to attack the opposition in the second half. That second half almost never comes though. Why do you start someone like Grant Holt and then not play wingers or cross the ball into the box? Whatever about signing him to begin with, he's here now so play to his goddamn strengths if you're going to use him, otherwise you're playing with a passenger for the whole game. What makes it worse is that not only are we not playing to Holt's strengths, but we're also ignoring Gabby's too, so we've got two forwards that are getting zero service to suit them. We essentially play with 9 men from kick off. Where's the logic in that? When we had Benteke fit, we could actually play the tactics of keeping it tight and seeing what he could create, with him making room for both Gabby and Weimann as defenders went tight to him. It wasn't a smart tactic, nor a foolproof one, but you could see what he was doing. The problem is playing the very same way without the guy. That, to me, has been enough for me to lose any confidence on Lambert taking us forward. There's no flexibility or smarts to his approach, and manages who lack that never go far. I've been behind him up until today, but the Palace game has, for me, shown that we're flogging a dead horse with him. He's got one way of doing things and that's it, even if the personnel available don't suit that approach. Square pegs in round holes all the way, with tactics that amount to "hit the pegs really hard lots of times and see if one of them will creak in" Edited April 13, 2014 by P3te 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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