AVTuco Posted November 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2014 I'd definitely take them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I wanted Sigurdsson. Twice the player Cleverley is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I wanted Sigurdsson. Twice the player Cleverley is. He looks a real class act, great buy by Swansea. Even if we did go in for him though couldn't see him choosing us over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttonpaul Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Cleverly ain't the player we need to spend 8m on that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Totally TOTALLY different to Stephen Ireland. That's a really strange comparison to be honest. Left a Manchester club that he really didnt want to leave Join a club he didnt really want to be at Paid a helluva lot of money Midfielder who has been good in patches for his club he came through at but not consistently Not really dont much of note for us All it needs is for him to be player of the season for us and it's about as close as it gets IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Totally TOTALLY different to Stephen Ireland. That's a really strange comparison to be honest. Left a Manchester club that he really didnt want to leave Join a club he didnt really want to be at Paid a helluva lot of money Midfielder who has been good in patches for his club he came through at but not consistently Not really dont much of note for us All it needs is for him to be player of the season for us and it's about as close as it gets IMO He has played less than a dozen games so bit early for that comparison, the not wanting to leave United and not wanting to come here is purely speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Not really speculation that much given the events of the last few days of the summer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Not really speculation that much given the events of the last few days of the summer window The days where Cleverley didn't want to join us or the days where Cleverley did want to join us but his greedy agent was trying to **** him over? There could have been all kinds of reasons the move was dragged out tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think it's quite clear that his agent has been used as a scapegoat so he could save face. All credible reports agree that he was holding out for a move to Everton and that's why the initial deal fell through despite our bid being accepted. Anyway, who actually cares whether we were his first choice or not? Can you really blame any player that would've been reluctant to come here if they felt there was a chance to move to a club like Everton instead? It's not like that is reflected in his performances effort wise. As sceptical as I am of Cleverley, one thing I cannot dispute is that he gives 100% every game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yep, good work rate, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted November 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think it's quite clear that his agent has been used as a scapegoat so he could save face. All credible reports agree that he was holding out for a move to Everton and that's why the initial deal fell through despite our bid being accepted. Anyway, who actually cares whether we were his first choice or not? Can you really blame any player that would've been reluctant to come here if they felt there was a chance to move to a club like Everton instead? It's not like that is reflected in his performances effort wise. As sceptical as I am of Cleverley, one thing I cannot dispute is that he gives 100% every game. Good point Isa, your second paragraph I mean especially. Not wanting to join us, and being a player's first choice are two completely different things. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Let him go back in January, never worth 8m. If Lambert really wants him, go back for him in the summer as a free agent. He's not the type of player who's going to make difference between relegation or not. Spend that 8m on a creative player in January. Delph and Gardner will be back hopefully in the new year so we wont even notice him gone, I don't notice him on the pitch most of the times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 To be honest we need improvements in many positions. midfield - Delph will be gone and Cleverly has not set the world alight so we need one at least two there defence - Vlaar will be off and we have injuries to cover and and unsure Okore creativity and wide players - we have next to nothing here so if we only have 8M or so to spend then for me Cleverly can go back 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 We've completely lost the plot if we pay £8M for Cleverly, wouldn't be worth it with three years left let alone 6 months. Guess we'll be looking for £10-£15M a piece for Vlaar and Delph if we value Cleverly at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 We've completely lost the plot if we pay £8M for Cleverly, wouldn't be worth it with three years left let alone 6 months. Guess we'll be looking for £10-£15M a piece for Vlaar and Delph if we value Cleverly at that. Unless we plan to swap Vlaar for him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I actually think Cleverly is a decent midfielder, he was excellent for Martinez at Wigan. Cleverly will never shine the way Lambert plays football, waste of time signing him to be honest because our style of play is f***ing dreadful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 We've completely lost the plot if we pay £8M for Cleverly, wouldn't be worth it with three years left let alone 6 months. Guess we'll be looking for £10-£15M a piece for Vlaar and Delph if we value Cleverly at that. Unless we plan to swap Vlaar for him!!If Cleverley's wage demands aren't ridiculous, then I'd go for that in January, as Vlaar will only be worth 2 or 3 million, with 6 months to run on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 13, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2014 I actually think Cleverly is a decent midfielder, he was excellent for Martinez at Wigan. Cleverly will never shine the way Lambert plays football, waste of time signing him to be honest because our style of play is f***ing dreadful I think he's a good player too, but he's not what we need, that's the problem. I think if the fee was less or we had more money in general or we didn't already have a very similar player in Westwood then it would be a much more welcome signing. The problem is, we desperately need a midfielder with more attacking impetus than both Cleverley and Westwood. And given that our transfer budget appears to be very low, splashing £8m, whether he's worth it or not, on Cleverley is not the best way to be spending that budget. If Westwood wasn't at the club, or we had a £50m transfer kitty (or both) then I'd be behind the signing, although I'd recognise that £8m is a bit steep. But in a way, it's similar to if we signed someone like Mignolet for £8m. Fine, he's a good keeper, but why would we spend our budget to fill such a low priority position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 He can probably follow Moyes to Real Sociedad; Think he also stated something about Spanish football in the past so maybe he should go there should Moyes do OK. I certainly wouldn't want him as part of any Vlaar deal imo. I still don't want the club to sign him on a permanent deal as I don't see him as a solution to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I think there will be some sort of deal. United want to get rid of him and he will be on a free in the summer. We seem to have a bit of money to spend so I guess he will be a official villa player in January, in compensation of Delph going to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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